I might have a buyer for my 150 and he wants me to fly it to Canada. Can anyone tell me what would be required as far as paperwork to sell a plane into Canada? The buyer said he will pay all the fees. He said he would wire the money for the plane before I go. He lives right on the border and there is an airport 2 miles away in the US. I told him I would rather fly there but he wants me to deliver it across the border, not sure why.

Another thing, What would be fair to add to the price for selling the plane there as opposed to here. Expenses plus??? Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks

Whoa there....

Make the sale "as is/where is" at your hometown airport with certified US funds. That way if there's a problem you're dealing with local courts and lawyers. Or, even at another US airport, it's still simple. But once you cross that International border...

Whole deal sounds like one of those Craigslist scams. Especially with your luck.

Gump

Some great advice. I was just thinking a "free" vacation

Ain't nothing free in life. Especially when airplanes are involved.

Gump

Well, there is also the matter of finding the paperwork that shows that Canada has found me "rehabilitated" and acceptable to enter their wonderful country. Without going into a lot of detail, I had to drive to Canada once and give them $117 US so I could be eligible to enter the country and go up to a house I bought off ebay for $3,500.

Rode my motorcycle up in one day and it was 28 degrees when I left home. Man, that was a cold ride!!! Some days I wish I was born with common sense

Careful Jerry, you've obviously seen your share-

Oh f**k that's funny. Gonna steal that one.

Gump

I can't complain. At least my life's interesting

As a sidenote. The guys that bought my loan auctioned my buildings off last Monday and no one came. They gave me till today to get everything out. I have been hauling everything I own off for three weeks now. Just have one boat and a motorhome to go. The lenders have 90 days to come after me personally. If they don't, I will be able to avoid bankruptcy and start over. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Get you're money up front. I sold a Glasair 3 years ago and delivered it, fought once it was there. Tell them to come get it.

Or bring it down here and Ill give you, $9500.00 cash 5s 10s or 20s or maybe more

They have you by the balls once your on there side.

We used to have a pretty comprehensive list of trueisms...

"Go ugly early, and you never go without."

The timeless classic, "Gas, grass or ass..." Etc, etc....

But the one which has been a guiding light of mine for decades now is suddenly on very shakey ground. "Nice guys don't get laid." Because Jerry, you're one of the nicest guys I know, but you seem to get screwed more than any guy I know.

Gump

One problem I have is that I don't really work. I'm more of a horse trader. I am out in the world all day every day. I actually meet a lot of good people and have great dealings but it's the ones that go bad that I bitch about.

Mr. Scout, I'll keep it in mind but you'll have to throw in a flight in the Aero Commander

I looked into buying a 170 in the US and found out there is a stupid rule that you cant fly a US regestered plane in the US with a canadian pilots licence, wich is likely why the guy wants you to get it across the line for him. that being said I agree if there is isues its nicer to have them near home.

ccurrie, that would make sense why he doesn't want to fly it the last two miles. Where do you live in Saskatchewan? The house I had was in Togo. Nice little village and lots of deer up there.

Read this shit... What a pain in the ass.

http://www.aviation.ca/component/option ... /id,13203/

Gump

Pay a title/escrow company to handle all the paperwork/title research and then deliver the aircraft after they confirm funds received. Few hundred bucks for a headache free sale.

DO NOT. I REPEAT DO NOT. Deliver a plane into Canada, It is a whole mess of trouble. The buyer MUST pay you in the US and take delivery in the US. The reason they want you to deliver to Canada is that they will not have to pay taxes if you do. Guess who becomes responsible for the trouble if you deliver it there.....that's right you! And that can be a whole lot of fun.....NOT!

If you are an AOPA member call them and they will tell you the deatails. But the moral of the story is only deliver it in the US. Let them deal with getting it over the border!


Mike

Well, I wouldn't even consider this but I have had it sold 4 times now. Three guys couldn't borrow the money and one guy said it vibrated. He told me he can feel things that most people can't. He was right. My mechanic and my friend who was an aircraft dealer for 20 years can't feel it either. Just keeps getting cheaper and cheaper and I keep paying to make it better and better.

Thanks for all the good advice. I'll call Transport Canada next week and see what they say. They are wise and all knowing. They are the ones that told me I needed to be rehabilitated too. I think it really had something to do with them thinking I was going to drink all their Beer. Wouldn't let me into the country till I explained to them I quit drinking years ago.

I first suspected it was due to the purchaser not having an FAA license...far easier for the buyer to have the seller deliver the plane rather than try to find someone else to deliver it. If there is an issue with taxes and such that makes it better for you to deliver the plane in the States, why not meet the buyer at the US airport, deliver the plane to him, finalize the sale, etc and then give him a check out on the plane which happens to cross into Canada and end at his home strip?

Marc wrote:why not meet the buyer at the US airport, deliver the plane to him, finalize the sale, etc and then give him a check out on the plane which happens to cross into Canada and end at his home strip?

That doesn't work. If you finalize the sale in the states the new owner has the temp registration and ??? for insurance. You'll get nailed for both if crossing the border.

And if you save the paperwork for when you land in Canada... Like was said before, it's your airplane sitting there in a foreign country, and your responsibility to have documents, fees, permits, etc.. And if something gets FUBAR, you're sitting there holding the bag way out of your element.

Either pay a broker and let them earn their money, or, keep it "As Is. Where Is."

Gump

GumpAir wrote:

Marc wrote:
Either pay a broker and let them earn their money, or, keep it "As Is. Where Is."

Gump

I'm with Gump and Scout on this one. Take their advice, Jearl. You don't need anymore headaches. If they want it bad enough, they'll come get it.