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Skis for Auster?

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Skis for Auster?

HI

I am planing to put Skis on a Auster V J/1 Autocrat (Englis built Taylorcraft BC-12 :mrgreen: )
Max take off weight 1850 Ibs, will normaly fly around with weight around 1550 Ibs..

I am looking for some landes straight skis, What size shuold i put on?
someone says 2500 Ibs skis, I was planing to put on 2000 Ibs skis?
The Auster have a 100 Hp Engine :o

Is there anyone that know about any used skis?

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Re: Skis for Auster?

That's funny, Kelly and I were just discussing the Auster night before last. What an interesting bird...
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Re: Skis for Auster?

Anyone interested in a fairly humorous story about flying the Auster with 100HP is welcome to read a two part story I wrote on the subject, after ferrying an Auster Autocrat from east of Tucson AZ to Los Angeles in 1992.

Go to my writing services website http://www.grantstar.net and click on "Aviation Adventures", then click on "The Auster Hassle".

This article was first published by the Edwards AFB EAA Chapter 1000 in their newsletter... apparently all the big jet jockey test pilots found it hilarious.

The Auster is a great aircraft. It is not a BC-12D by any stretch. When turning the T-craft into an able artillery spotter and liaison aircraft, the British Taylorcraft licensee solved the problems that the US Taylorcraft had one way, and the American Taylorcraft company solved these same problems in different ways. The Auster is a heavy-duty T-craft with better visibility, sticks instead of yokes, high drag "split" flaps for approach control, more room inside, and (theoretically) more power.

In my opinion the Auster is a much more capable and controllable airplane (with 125-160HP) than what Taylorcraft USA came up with (the L-2). The Autocrat with the Blackburn Cirrus Minor IIa (of an accused 100 HP) is not quite as capable as a 65 HP BC-12D, because of the heavier empty weight and the HORRIBLE propeller on the Auster.

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Hi

My plan for the Auster is to put Vortex generators on it, and with a new proppeller from Hoffman it is much better to fly, both in climb and Cruise, the cruise is now +95MPH, with stall speed at 28 Mph with full flaps, this is before I have installed the VG, that will hopefully make it better on skis..

Or do anyone have some other experience with the Auster, or T-craft??? [-o<

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hi guys and girls.
Finally a subject I can pontificate on and sound like I know what I'm talking about.
i have an Auster J5F with an o320 in it.Have done about 400 Hrs in it, so am starting to get somewhat comfortable in what it is capable of. Flying mostly backcountry it is an excelent strip machine.
If you are interested pm me and i can give you more info.
Am leaving in a few minutes for 6 days of school; camp; (bus driver) cant wait.... :( :shock:
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Norwegianpilot wrote:Hi

My plan for the Auster is to put Vortex generators on it, and with a new proppeller from Hoffman it is much better to fly, both in climb and Cruise, the cruise is now +95MPH, with stall speed at 28 Mph with full flaps, this is before I have installed the VG, that will hopefully make it better on skis..

Or do anyone have some other experience with the Auster, or T-craft??? [-o<

Anders


I have owned three T-crafts and one Auster, and am fairly familiar with them. Both the T-craft and the Auster are excellent airplanes, but they are difrferent even though they have identical external dimansions. The Auster is heavier and built stronger, and it requires more power. Once you give it the power it needs (150-180HP) it becomes an exceptional airplane.

That 28 mph stall speed (with flaps) allows you to get in and out of very very short strips. The original "split flap" (Auster 3 through 5) gives you drag on demand, which is what the American Taylorcraft so desperately lacks for STOL work. The later "Junkers Flap" (Auster 6 and 7) gives you more drag and probably more lift if needed.

The Auster control sticks are more enjoyable than yokes, however the Auster stick is once again different than any other stick. It is a little bit strange, because the pivot point on the stick is not where it is on "normal" sticks, but it is still more fun to fly than yokes.

The Auster company immediately identified the need for more visibility and provided a very large skylight, rear window, etc. The military versions had more visibility that you really need, and the civil variants all have much more transparent area than any American T-craft.

The Auster is much heavier because the structure was over-built for toughness. However, the T-craft/Auster's giant high aspect wing carries that load well. You definitely need more power to fly an Auster... an 85 or 90 HP T-craft will likely give you the same takeoff performance as a 150HP Auster. But the Auster actually is a FOUR seat airplane (technically) . The Auster has a larger baggage/cargo area than the "big baggage" F-19 Taylorcraft, perhaps even more than the F-22 Taylorcraft.

The Taylorcraft, however, is the efficiency king of them all. A T-craft will achieve the same cruise speed as the Auster on 50-75% the horsepower because of the lighter weight. The T-craft will fly you into some back country strips at 4.5 gallons per hour (65HP), and just about all of them at under 6 gallons an hour (85-95 HP). If you need the maximum flying and fun per dollar for one or two normal sized people, the 65-85 HP T-craft is a better choice. If you are hauling big people and camping gear, the Auster with an O-320 or O-360 will be very hard to beat.

I will offer a semi-educated guess that the Auster will respond very well to vortex generators. The T-craft is known to respond very well to them, and once again the external dimensions and aerodynamics of the Auster and the T-craft are identical.

As far as my own flying experiences with the Taylorcraft and the Auster, again you can read several interesting stories about my experiences in the "aviation" section of http://www.grantstar.net
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austerj5f wrote:If you are interested pm me and i can give you more info.


If possible, it would be great if you could post your info out in the open so as to benefit the next Auster fellow who comes along.

Thanks.
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Re: Skis for Auster?

The only Austers I've seen had an inverted (Gypsy?) engine of 130 horsepower as I recall. Two seats in front and a single swivelling rear observation seat. Looked pretty cool.
What engines were in the various model Austers from the factory?
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Re: Skis for Auster?

The Auster I am flying is a Auster V j/1 Autocrat,
It is really many different Auster models, alomst same nubers of different models as it is serial number 8)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auster

There is many different engines: from inverted Blackburn Cirris 100 hp, Gipsy Major 145 hp, continental 65 hp to 260 hp Continental IO-470-D 6-cylinder

and everything from 2 seats side-by-side, 3 seats and 2 seats tandem and 4 seats....

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Skylane,
The first link you show is a photo of my Grandfather's Auster! It's actually an J1B Aiglet. This aircraft has some interesting historical significance. Harry Wigley (later Sir Henry Wigley) invented the retractable undercarriage for ski planes in 1955 after trying to solve the problem of how to take off from a gravel airstrip and land on snow. In New Zealand while the glaciers may be full of snow, the valley floors are generally clear, which require the ski plane to either take off from a grass or gravel runway.

He spoke with some well known North American ski plane pilots of the time. But at that stage, aircraft were either set up for Floats, skis, or wheels, not a combination of these. So he went about fabricating a wheel penetration ski, something that is a now-common sight.
He tested the assembly for the first time on September 22nd 1955 on the Glaciers in the Mount Cook Region of New Zealand. He flew various people onto the glacier that first day, including a like minded adventurer, Sir Edmund Hillary.

He wrote a book titled "Ski-Plane Adventure : Flying in the New Zealand Alps" - Harry Wigley. Wellington: A. H. & A. W. Reed. First published 1965. Reprints 1975,1977. It's an interesting read if you can get your hands on a copy.

I've attached links with a bit more information on the aircraft.
http://www.skiplanes.co.nz/About-Us/Mt- ... istory.asp
http://www.glacierexplorers.com/content ... istory.pdf
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Since everyone got all excited about your plane and forgot to answer Ill give you my two cents. The landes skis are likely a good choice but Id go with the 2500s or even 3000s the small amount more weight and drag are a small price to pay for more flotation.
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ccurrie wrote:Since everyone got all excited about your plane and forgot to answer Ill give you my two cents.


We did, didn't we? :lol: After reading the the last few post's, I forgot what the original question was.

Interesting plane though, differant and probably not too many around, I suppose? Anybody know how many are in the US?
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Thanks 8) :lol:
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What part of Norway? Beautiful pictures and country. I flew a Super Cub around Stavanger years ago and always have wanted to go back.
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What size ski did you decide to buy?
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Re: Skis for Auster?

1SeventyZ wrote:That's funny, Kelly and I were just discussing the Auster night before last. What an interesting bird...


Read the Auster Hussle by our own Bill Berle .Beyond comedy>>>
http://www.grantstar.net/index.php/avia ... ories.html
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There's a great story about Austers in a bush operation rescuing downed airmen on the Island of Borneo during WWII in the new book, THE AIRMEN AND THE HEADHUNTERS. There's a movie in the works...that means you know it's good!
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Re: Skis for Auster?

Hi

I ended up with Aero M2000 Skis.. and tail ski. 8)
It seams to work great...

I live near Oslo, at ENKJ, Kjeller.
Kjeller airfield opened at 1912..... :shock:
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