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Some Help yourself get rescued stuff.

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Some Help yourself get rescued stuff.

Theres some misunderstanding still, so I thought I would type over a cup of coffee this morn. Hopefully one or two people benefit. First - its hard for me to accurately describe certain situations via computer and there are exceptions to everything. There is a general hesitance to say much in the profession. Its a very lawsuit heavy career field. As a recent retiree I feel more comfortable - I don't speak for anyone in any organization, just some guy with a reasonable amount of experience on the the other end of your PLB/ELT/EPIRB. My perspective; I flew HH60, worked at an RCC, installed several beacons as A&P, annualled several as IA, and have owned/operated an air taxi the last couple years and did some light avionics in another life. I stay busy, so I prob won't be much help replying quickly. PM is best if you have an honest question. Probably turn into a phone call cause talking thru this stuff is 100xs easier. Check out AKRCC's FAQ page first.

Two things worth emphasis to start;
1. there is probably an exception to every "fact"---its a life/death situation and crazy shit typically happened by definition
2. I speak for no organization and I make no assertions other than my knowledge as I remember it. If you feel like you wanna sue someone---I'm getting old and I forget things.


When you trigger a 406 beacon (COSPAS/SARSAT/ELT/PLB/EPIRB) a lot of magic happens, but then it quickly drops through a secure email of sorts to a computer screen at the appropriate RCC. Thats typically where you are registered AND where you are. Ak registered ELT thats activated in Canada- AKRCC and Canada for example.

On that screen is a set of very accurate coords (or two sets and %), all of your registration data you entered, when the next satellites are going overhead/accuracy of, and a lot of other info.
Breaking down some things of interest on that page:
Coords- --If GPS aided- there is one set and they are solid (in my experience)
--If not GPS aided- there is another message with or without a short delay with 2 sets of coords and % COSPAS believes each is accurate. IE 12 34.555N 123 45.555W 50% 45 34.555N 133 45.555W 50%
One of the percentages goes up and one goes down with each pass. The LEO's use doppler shift to find the beacon, hence the 2 sets. (I'm not about to explain that via computer) That set of coords is very accurate as well and gets better with each pass. In my experience its spot on by the time you can actually get on scene anyway. Tho I can think of one exception already.
---WAG of coord accuracy: 5 meters with gps, 500 without 100% BS, just what I remember as my experiences
I will say; I have responded to beacons with no updates and flew right to it. Don't take that as a reason to not couple
to GPS. The GPS is superior for a myriad of reasons. Don't be afraid of one thats not tho.

Next the RCC figures out what is the best asset for the survivor. Maybe its the AST dude on a snow machine in Aniak, maybe its ANG. They go to the coords and pickup the survivor. Then they go to the hospital.
Some assets have 406 DF capability. Some have 121.5 DF. I have not once heard of DFing a 406 off of the 121.5. Its like firing up your old ADF when your WAAS GPS is working good. You get the coords from RCC and go there. I will say some of the best rescue assets don't even have the 121.5 DF equipment installed, so you do the math.

The next step is typically verification of distress. This kinda gives you a timeline of your options. A very common question/concern.
-If registered, phone calls are made to your contacts. Your wife says yeah, he's flying somewhere west. Verified. Now someone goes and gets you that fast. Tons of stories about silly fast on scene times.
-If not registered, we start down the amateur private detective route, inevitably taking much time I wouldn't want if I just crashed. (But maybe I'm just soft) At some point you are overdue or some other trigger and asset is asked/tasked.
-If you don't have a 406….Usually an airliner reports you and the search area is 1/2 of Alaska or larger. Over the course of days that area gets small enough to work with. Many times the battery just burns out. Waste of a lot of good peoples time and sometimes someones life. Inexcusable IMO.

121.5 use:
1. An unregistered beacon, accidentally activated on the ramp of a congested airport. Now there is no registration data to simply call the owner, and tell him to turn it off. AND there are airplanes all over. CAP is called (probably at midnight in the rain) and they go out with their 121.5 DF gear and find the damn dummy who spent all the money but didn't utilize the capability. I digress….
2. At annual you still have to comply with 91.207. The 121.5 side is used to do that in the models I have experience with.


1. Buy a 406 device. You already bought the tech via your tax dollars. As someone who has worked with it, your govt has spent a lot more money in a lot worse ways. :)
2. REGISTER IT. You get a response much quicker when registered. Plus, how dumb?!-- Spend the money and not utilize the capability. Sad. Secondly, save the poor CAP guy the hassle. Those guys are fantastic.
3. THANK YOU to all the guys who got on board and keep their registration current. Don't forget when you buy or sell, you gotta redo it.
I think we've pretty well got the word out, just a few holdouts, but one life lost is too many, esp when it doesn't have to happen.

I attempted to copy a screen shot. Unfortunately to clean up enough to post, there'd be nothing useful. See one at an RCC.
Uncle, I'm typed out.

Fly safe gents,
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Re: Some Help yourself get rescued stuff.

Great write up Kevin. Why isn't it mandatory to register your beacon in the US? It is in Canada.
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A1Skinner wrote:Great write up Kevin. Why isn't it mandatory to register your beacon in the US? It is in Canada.
Supposedly it is "required" to register in the US, but there's not way to enforce it--no fines, no Guido, nothing, other than it's pretty lame not to. It's so easy--set up an account on the NOAA site (http://www.beaconregistration.noaa.gov/), register the beacon using the numbers printed on the beacon tag, and it's done--no cost. Then in about 22 months, NOAA sends a reminder to re-register it, which takes even less time (unless you've forgotten where you put your password :)).

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Re: Some Help yourself get rescued stuff.

Kevin,

Excellent discussion and a great description of how the system works. Thanks for posting this. It is a topic that is not well understood in the pilot community.

One question on the registration information: Does MCC retain expired registration information? In other words, if I allow my registration to expire, does the system retain that information, still attached to that beacon's ID, or is all that information expunged? It seems like if a beacon has EVER been registered, but that registration has lapsed, the odds are pretty good that the same person still owns that beacon.

Maybe.

Anyway, thanks for a good discussion.

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A1Skinner wrote:Great write up Kevin. Why isn't it mandatory to register your beacon in the US? It is in Canada.


I believe that its the same reason they are not mandated like they are in Canada. We all raised hell and threw a fit. Big one. We picked the wrong side (hindsight is 20/20) and our biggest advocate (AOPO) took that fight to DC for us and did well. My .02 and that's nothing but theory so treat it as such.

Would we be in a better place if we followed the Canadian model? I believe so. Am I glad we do have some litigating power as citizens when we form a group in this country? Yeah. But "the knife cuts both ways". ;)

Correct me if I'm wrong but I understand the installing mechanic registers your beacons to include his mech #. That's awesome if so.
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Thanks for the run down. I may have a free day or so the coming week if your not busy. Will give you a call if it looks like I can take a tour...keep the coffee hot. Greg
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A1Skinner wrote:Great write up Kevin. Why isn't it mandatory to register your beacon in the US? It is in Canada.


I believe that its the same reason they are not mandated like they are in Canada. We all raised hell and threw a fit. Big one. We picked the wrong side (hindsight is 20/20) and our biggest advocate (AOPO) took that fight to DC for us and did well. My .02 and that's nothing but theory so treat it as such.

Would we be in a better place if we followed the Canadian model? I believe so. Am I glad we do have some litigating power as citizens when we form a group in this country? Yeah. But "the knife cuts both ways". ;)

Correct me if I'm wrong but I understand the installing mechanic registers your beacons to include his mech #. That's awesome if so.

On both that I had installed, my mech gave me the registration form when I picked the plane up. I went online and registered it there instead of doing it the old paper way. Super easy and free. But no, my mech was not required to do it.
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Re: Some Help yourself get rescued stuff.

There are some neat details there, especially the practical accuracy without GPS coupling.

Registration takes 10 minutes max if you are slow about it. You can write your password with a marker on the beacon itself so you don't lose it.

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mtv wrote:Kevin,

Excellent discussion and a great description of how the system works. Thanks for posting this. It is a topic that is not well understood in the pilot community.

One question on the registration information: Does MCC retain expired registration information? In other words, if I allow my registration to expire, does the system retain that information, still attached to that beacon's ID, or is all that information expunged? It seems like if a beacon has EVER been registered, but that registration has lapsed, the odds are pretty good that the same person still owns that beacon.

Maybe.

Anyway, thanks for a good discussion.

MTV


Mike,
Thank you. I think it helps people with their purchase sometimes. "Do I NEED this or that"

Old info is kept. I'm not sure I'd bet my life on it, but yes in my experience it is.

I tracked one down that was sold twice since last registration. That took quite some time. Thankfully non-distress. Like buying a 4 door and welding the back doors closed. Not registering, that is.....
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How do you test a 406 elt?
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Good read on a rescue. Found this article in the Alaska Dispatch. Had several thoughts on it, but my biggest lesson taken away from it as far as safety inside the aircraft was make sure you have good shoulder harness all around & helmets. http://www.adn.com/article/20141228/surviving-plane-crash-along-iditarod-trail
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Didn't I buy a cub lumber rack from you 5-10 years ago?

Test it per the manufacturer's instructions via BIT's. Typically required every 90 days or so.
Your IA should know how to comply with 91.207 at annual without any special test equipment or up charges. Usually.

Had several questions on this before so I'll elaborate a little. Generally a 406 ELT will have an extra "required" test per the manufacturers instructions. Usually consists of pushing a button and looking for a beep/light etc once every 90 days etc and it tests 90% of the operations. So think 2 tests now: the BIT and the Annual.
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mtv wrote:Kevin,

Excellent discussion and a great description of how the system works. Thanks for posting this. It is a topic that is not well understood in the pilot community.

One question on the registration information: Does MCC retain expired registration information? In other words, if I allow my registration to expire, does the system retain that information, still attached to that beacon's ID, or is all that information expunged? It seems like if a beacon has EVER been registered, but that registration has lapsed, the odds are pretty good that the same person still owns that beacon.

Maybe.

Anyway, thanks for a good discussion.

MTV
Can't say how long the info is kept, but I was several months tardy renewing my EPIRB registration one year (I've had a 406 EPIRB for the boat for about 14 years). When I re-registered it, it was as if I had not been late--same process as if I was on time.

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Some Help yourself get rescued stuff.

I keep my PLB up to date. Absolutely painless, and seems just a matter of confirming the information stored from the initial registration.

I know an ELT is still required, but is there really a logistical reason to keep an older 121.5 mhz only device in the airplane?

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GumpAir wrote:I keep my PLB up to date. Absolutely painless, and seems just a matter of confirming the information stored from the initial registration.

I know an ELT is still required, but is there really a logistical reason to keep an older 121.5 mhz only device in the airplane?

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I would think that the only reason (other than to comply with the regs) is that theoretically an ELT will go off in a crash, which may be severe enough that a PLB couldn't be manually activated by anyone in the airplane. Although not monitored by the satellites, 121.5 is still monitored by the airlines and others, as recommended by the AIM and required by the continuing NOTAM "whenever practicable" or similar wording. As we've discussed ad nauseum here and previously, though, a 121.5 ELT is a whole lot less valuable than a 406 ELT.

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Some Help yourself get rescued stuff.

Yeah. We're gonna break down and upgrade here soon. The old one is in there to keep things legal but I certainly don't count on it. Plus, it interferes with the Garmin 396 when I get near big city TV transmitters, as it kills the GPS signal.

I count on the PLB way more for the airplane, and especially on our four-wheelers. The chance of bad shit happening is way greater on the bikes.

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GumpAir,
Yep, you are just complying with the reg. Unless you need 5 pounds of ballast? :)

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If an aircraft hears 121.5 beacon at 30,000' its a 162 nm radius search area. 20000 is 132mn. You hope for multiple lower reports ... < 10k ish that can be used to form some kind of search area. Then the searching starts.
The searching of them is challenging itself sometimes and is never as fast as the dumbest-half-functioning-406. They do cool tricks in the granite. I have a couple of stories that I won't bore you with but think NDB in tall granite. Its all over the place+.


I'm not some self proclaimed expert with this stuff but I still remember a lot of it (and will forget it all in a yr). The CAP guys are the pros at searching the 121.5s and there are a hell of a lot of smart dudes I worked with. I really think some stuff needs verbalized: "for benefit of the group"
I know the guy that has the answer probably....

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Cary wrote:
mtv wrote:Kevin,

Excellent discussion and a great description of how the system works. Thanks for posting this. It is a topic that is not well understood in the pilot community.

One question on the registration information: Does MCC retain expired registration information? In other words, if I allow my registration to expire, does the system retain that information, still attached to that beacon's ID, or is all that information expunged? It seems like if a beacon has EVER been registered, but that registration has lapsed, the odds are pretty good that the same person still owns that beacon.

Maybe.

Anyway, thanks for a good discussion.

MTV
Can't say how long the info is kept, but I was several months tardy renewing my EPIRB registration one year (I've had a 406 EPIRB for the boat for about 14 years). When I re-registered it, it was as if I had not been late--same process as if I was on time.

Cary


Hey Cary,
You are right. The REAL answer to the question is "YES". I'm just gunshy about: yes/no/always/never/etc with this stuff.
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Thanks for taking the time to write this up Kevin. Good info.
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