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Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:58 pm

Stinson 108-1 in Los Angeles Area

Haha. I posted this on the Stinson e-mail list and just got a fight going. No way a decent flyer is selling for $14000. Anyway, if knew for absolute sure about a few things that are up in the air I'd be taking a look at this. I see there might be corrosion on the engine mount, or it might be grease. I dunno, but as long as you don't go in and out of high density altitude this might be a flyer while you save for an 0-360 and the Bobcat conversion. It's not my airplane. I dunno the guy. If the photos are current it's not a ramp tramp anyway.
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:08 pm

Re: Stinson 108-1 in Los Angeles Area

Thats hilarious: 1947 Stinson 108-1, 1793TT heck the guys that owned this plane need rocking chairs. I got more time on the crapper than since 1958 than this plane. Whats wrong with people?
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:31 pm

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OregonMaule wrote:Thats hilarious: 1947 Stinson 108-1, 1793TT heck the guys that owned this plane need rocking chairs. I got more time on the crapper since 1958 than this plane. Whats wrong with people?
I'm not sure with that radio equipment you could even get it out of LA airspace. Is a MK-11 a 720 channel radio? The paint on the fuselage above the firewall sucks so it's been outdoors for awhile. Ya think maybe that's grade A cotton on there? If it doesn't need fabric and corrosion repair I'm tellin' ya, that's a good buy. Even with 150hp. The valve rocker covers are definitely off a 165 hp. Don't mean shit.
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:17 pm

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Go for it Emory! I've got probably half a dozen mounts here...you can have the best one for shipping. Nothing wrong with a -1 and you can always upgrade.
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:19 pm

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OregonMaule wrote:.... I got more time on the crapper than since 1958 than this plane........


I just shit my britches laughing. Thanks a lot.
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:35 pm

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hotrod150 wrote:
OregonMaule wrote:.... I got more time on the crapper than since 1958 than this plane........


I just shit my britches laughing. Thanks a lot.


Thats all he did as a fireman. :D

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Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:18 pm

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hotrod150 wrote:
OregonMaule wrote:.... I got more time on the crapper than since 1958 than this plane........


I just shit my britches laughing. Thanks a lot.


Thats all he did as a fireman. :D

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Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:26 pm

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Nice, which thread on the stinson list is it?

Motor is 2/3rds gone and radios are worthless - if it'll fly out and the fabric will hold up for a couple of seasons offer $10k
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:41 pm

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Vick wrote:Nice, which thread on the stinson list is it?

Motor is 2/3rds gone and radios are worthless - if it'll fly out and the fabric will hold up for a couple of seasons offer $10k
This one: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stinson/message/39683 It really didn't end up being a brawl. The first two replies seemed a little like the guys felt threatened or something, but Cy and a couple of others jumped in there and helped out. It's in annual. $10K. I like that. That's about what Tom Buce recommended I pay for a flying 150 horse with a runout or near runout. I've got an e-mail in to the owner. I'll call again tomorrow. No answer tonight.
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:52 pm

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Emory Bored wrote:This one: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Stinson/message/39683 It really didn't end up being a brawl. The first two replies seemed a little like the guys felt threatened or something, but Cy and a couple of others jumped in there and helped out. It's in annual. $10K. I like that. That's about what Tom Buce recommended I pay for a flying 150 horse with a runout or near runout. I've got an e-mail in to the owner. I'll call again tomorrow. No answer tonight.


A buddy (who registered for this board and has yet to post!!!) bought an out of annual example for $8k and had it flying for not much more. Got a few years out of it before the fabric got sketchy.

Then there's this one.. :shock:
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:02 pm

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I did see that Vick. The Ebay one. Weird eh? I think I'd get a Tripacer. They probably don't fly as well but they don't look quite so morphodite either. On second thought, a tri-stinson or a tri-pacer is just about the same amount of weird.

I have been so stoked on this big engine short mount t-cart I've been looking at that this find has me spinning. If I got the Stinson for 10K it would be less than half the cost of the Taylorcraft. Coyote Ugly already placed his vote via PM. I might get good at forced landings though if I tried to keep that Franklin alive. Just kidding all you Franklin lovers. I used to have the 220 horse in a 172. Nice motor.

Just might be a pretty good airplane. I'd rip out the rear seats and have a camper. A couple hundred hours would be all I'd need before lycoming transplant. Or 0-470 like Matt's.
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:06 pm

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Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:09 pm

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Emory Bored wrote:Just might be a pretty good airplane. I'd rip out the rear seats and have a camping machine. A couple hundred hours would be all I'd need before lycoming transplant. Or 0-470 like Matt's.


Matt has an F220, I used to have a 470. Either one is a ripper and you can't go wrong with the airframe - honest, forgiving, classic and capable
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:11 pm

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Vick wrote:
Emory Bored wrote:Just might be a pretty good airplane. I'd rip out the rear seats and have a camping machine. A couple hundred hours would be all I'd need before lycoming transplant. Or 0-470 like Matt's.


Matt has an F220, I used to have a 470. Either one is a ripper and you can't go wrong with the airframe - honest, forgiving, classic and capable
Anybody know of anyone neglecting to correctly service the flap/elevator interconnect? Seems like it might get in real short that way.
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Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:09 pm

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Emory Bored wrote:Anybody know of anyone neglecting to correctly service the flap/elevator interconnect? Seems like it might get in real short that way.
Every time I ask a question like that it gets real quiet around here. Never mind. The interconnect was added to the HW75 way back in the olden days not because Stinson necessarily wanted a stall proof design, but because the airplane wouldn't meet the CAR spin recovery requirements then in place. It would recover from a spin, it just took more turns and a bit more altitude.
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Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:45 pm

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Emory Bored wrote:Anybody know of anyone neglecting to correctly service the flap/elevator interconnect? Seems like it might get in real short that way.


Emory - Not sure what that'd get you or how you could modify it to achieve any benefit in slowing down further, it doesn't affect flap travel at all. All it does is limit elevator travel with the flaps up and to be honest it never struck me as much of a difference anyway. 108s come in plenty slow and you can get even slower if you carry a little power.
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Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:20 pm

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Emory Bored wrote:Anybody know of anyone neglecting to correctly service the flap/elevator interconnect? Seems like it might get in real short that way.


Emory - Not sure what that'd get you or how you could modify it to achieve any benefit in slowing down further, it doesn't affect flap travel at all. All it does is limit elevator travel with the flaps up and to be honest it never struck me as much of a difference anyway. 108s come in plenty slow and you can get even slower if you carry a little power.
Now wait a minute. Maybe I got this wrong. I thought it limited elevator travel with flaps down?

I think I'm all messed up. Everything I read says that the Stinson is a short field champ and yet I read in Swick's book about this elevator thing. When I talked to Tom Buce I got even more confused because I thought he said the main reason for the bigger tail on the -3 is that in landing configuration the airplane runs out of rudder in crosswind conditions. I need to go pay Matt for some gas and some demo time. Or somebody. Maybe there's a CFI on the Stinson list. I've got some pre-conceptions that are clearly at odds with the data. Thanks Vick.
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Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:46 pm

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Horse's mouth... see page 41, Control Surfaces Travel

Premise was that with limited elevator travel you'd be less inclined to get yourself to a stall, and therefore a spin. They had to give you a little back in landing configuration though so you could flare it out.

Lots of speculation about why the tail changed. Most plausible one I've heard related to float suitability. -1/-2 had to install strakes on the horizontal stab on floats, -3 didn't. I never felt that I ran out of rudder in the flare in a -2.
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:48 pm

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Emory, if you do decide to go for that one in Long Beach, I have some friends (BCP member 182STOL and his posse of desperadoes in southern NV and AZ) who have a lot of Stinson parts if you need anything. I took a ride in one of them's guys' 108-3 with an old O-435 Lycoming, and it was pretty impressive in the go-go department. There's a -3 fin and rudder there, if that allows you to make some kind of engine swap if you need it.
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Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:49 pm

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I think it sold. I have not been able to reach the seller by e-mail or phone. It wasn't a bad looking bird, and it was in annual. So. There you go.
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