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Take off in weet snow - what to do?!

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Take off in weet snow - what to do?!

What to do when take of in weet snow - its sometimes just like take of in a mud, or a sandy beach.... A ski take of (400 feet) in normal conditions is in 4 inch of weet snow at least 3000 feet! It feels like a take of in a huge overloaded seaplane....

Well, I know. I have to use a short take of procedure, and I accelerate a lot before I use the flaps, and I even lift one of the skis (just like in seaplanes, when lifting a float to decrease the water forces) but Im not satisfied with all this "extra".

Q: I have plastic skin at the bottom of the skis, and it of course helps - but I wandering if anyone have tried to make them go slippier with some cemical stuff?
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Re: Take off in weet snow - what to do?!

Ski wax can help, but it will wear off over time.

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Re: Take off in weet snow - what to do?!

As a current snowboarder and aspiring ski pilot (I'd be one now but my machinist got real busy last week, and was not able to get to boring my existing axle for the axle insert that will fit to the ski, plus it appears I have an issue with a brake caliper housing interfering with a ski component when the ski is retracted. To resolve this I may need to get different axles and brakes.... its complicated), I plan to treat my ski bottoms, (white HDPE about 1/4" thick) the same way I do my boards: a few times a season wax them. It can't hurt. Also of course, knock down any friction causing abrasions and bumps caused by the odd rock or chunk of gravel.
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Re: Take off in weet snow - what to do?!

I see you have a Stinson. Simple answer, 0-470 or F-220.
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Re: Take off in weet snow - what to do?!

We got several inches of fresh snow overnight, so right before I headed up to the ski area I just had to push the new skis around a bit. Their first time in the white stuff, pretty exciting! It was immediately evident that the skegs on the bottom (one on the inboard aluminum, the other on the outboard nylon) are canted in order to provide what amounts to toe in.

They slid REAL easy, and as they slowed they would curve to the direction the skegs are canted. The picture shows the left ski...., I am assuming this is all as it is supposed to be, a design feature in other words. They both perform and are built exactly the same, only difference being one is left and the other right. Anyone know is this standard procedure for airplane skis, the canting of the skegs to provide "toe in"?
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What the hell is "weet" snow?
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Is his english better than your sweedish?
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Re: Take off in weet snow - what to do?!

Well, shortly: In wikipedia I read "A glide wax is selected based primarily on snow temperature, as well as the crystal structure and relative humidity of the snow. "

So, whats happen if I attach glide wax for wet snow, and the next day landning/take off in very cold weather? Of course, then we have another problem....

Someone suggested silicon spray (correct spelling?), anyone tried?

Ive also have had stearing problems on pure ice, before the craft have enough speed to get the tailrudder nailing the airflow.

http://www.aasfonline.com/skiflying.pdf: "It is possible to install hydraulic ski brakes, which consist of a metal rods that can be forced down through the ski bottom by pressing on the brake pedals; these are generally most
effective on icy or snowpacked surfaces..."

Would nice to see some samples (pictures) of that sort of stuff....

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