Certainly hear you on the irony.

Battson wrote:...you can buy a $100k boat just to tow a wakeboard around in circles and that's just normal behaviour, but flying a $50k plane is somehow "rich man's sport"...

Yeah, or here in Texas, I had a dude who drove a $70,000 (!) lifted, big-tired pickup truck telling me I must be rich because I own an airplane worth about $45,000...

JP256 wrote:

Battson wrote:...you can buy a $100k boat just to tow a wakeboard around in circles and that's just normal behaviour, but flying a $50k plane is somehow "rich man's sport"...

Yeah, or here in Texas, I had a dude who drove a $70,000 (!) lifted, big-tired pickup truck telling me I must be rich because I own an airplane worth about $45,000...

That happens to me a lot. They pull up in their 70k+ truck pulling their 50k+ holiday trailer and think I'm rich with my old 206 and vehicles. I just choose my priorities differently.

Santa Clara County buried a study that was unfavorable to their goal of eventually closing both Reid Hillview and South County airport. It showed levels of lead in the surrounding area within the safe/normal limits. The county will eventually going to do whatever they want or have to do to reclaim the land (including flat out lying to the public).

Their days are numbered similar to Meigs Field, Santa Monica, and countless other airports that are gonna be strong armed out of existence by politicians and communities that stand to profit.

GB wrote:If you concede, even a little tiny bit, that airplanes are dirty or that 100ll might be less than perfect you have lost. 100% lost, game over, walk between airports if you must visit them. Still surprises me that adults, and advocacy orgs(AOPA, EAA) don't understand this by now. Personally I don't care when I can't fly anymore I will captain a coal schooner, moving coal by sail is where this is all going. That is the future of transportation and energy.

This all day long!

Back as a low time 600hr dude CFIing I had a skin cancer doc, he was a PPL but didn’t fly much so liked a CFI to go up with him for local area stuff, worked for me.

Anywho back then my sumping ninja skills weren’t as refined and I’d get a little 100ll on my hands from time to time, I had also had a fuel sump get stuck and give me a 100ll bath.

I asked the doc about that, would getting some 100ll on me give me cancer, he practically laughed and just said “…no”


When someone says something about 100ll I just laugh and say no and they need to do some independent research if they want to avoid making a fool of themselves again, it’s frankly the best reaction.

If people keep giving a inch, in our lifetime all but the elite will be living in urban human filing cabinets and be reliant on government mass transportation, much like cattle in a trailer, GA will only be for, as George Carlin best put it, “our owners”.

Don’t give a damn millimeter.

Sadly AOPA is basically the NRA of aviation.

This all day long!

Back as a low time 600hr dude CFIing I had a skin cancer doc, he was a PPL but didn’t fly much so liked a CFI to go up with him for local area stuff, worked for me.

Anywho back then my sumping ninja skills weren’t as refined and I’d get a little 100ll on my hands from time to time, I had also had a fuel sump get stuck and give me a 100ll bath.

I asked the doc about that, would getting some 100ll on me give me cancer, he practically laughed and just said “…no”


When someone says something about 100ll I just laugh and say no and they need to do some independent research if they want to avoid making a fool of themselves again, it’s frankly the best reaction.

If people keep giving a inch, in our lifetime all but the elite will be living in urban human filing cabinets and be reliant on government mass transportation, much like cattle in a trailer, GA will only be for, as George Carlin best put it, “our owners”.

Don’t give a damn millimeter.

Sadly AOPA is basically the NRA of aviation.[/quote]


Agree... but the horse is out of the barn. The issue I’m getting my head around is the current rip off job we're getting in energy across the board.

We have G100UL (approved) as of September 1st. Yep it is gonna be up to a $dollar a gallon more…. As it stands now.

I was and am a HUGE supporter of G100UL to be approved, I don’t want lead to foul up my valves, I want longer periods between oil changes, I want synthetic oil.

Now I am rooting for SWIFT to get an UL fuel approved for all GA planes. Competition typically drives down prices.

I will be running either G100UL or MoGas, likely a 20-80% combination as much as possible in my engine.

There is no upside to lead for my use

rsrguy3 wrote:This all day long!

Back as a low time 600hr dude CFIing I had a skin cancer doc, he was a PPL but didn’t fly much so liked a CFI to go up with him for local area stuff, worked for me.

Anywho back then my sumping ninja skills weren’t as refined and I’d get a little 100ll on my hands from time to time, I had also had a fuel sump get stuck and give me a 100ll bath.

I asked the doc about that, would getting some 100ll on me give me cancer, he practically laughed and just said “…no”


When someone says something about 100ll I just laugh and say no and they need to do some independent research if they want to avoid making a fool of themselves again, it’s frankly the best reaction.

If people keep giving a inch, in our lifetime all but the elite will be living in urban human filing cabinets and be reliant on government mass transportation, much like cattle in a trailer, GA will only be for, as George Carlin best put it, “our owners”.

Don’t give a damn millimeter.

Sadly AOPA is basically the NRA of aviation.

Agree... but the horse is out of the barn. The issue I’m getting my head around is the current rip off job we're getting in energy across the board.[/quote]

You two really don’t get it? You’ve succeeded in forcing the shut down of a couple of threads, so you troll for more, and spout the same stuff that got other threads shut down?

Wow!

MTV

The price for all boat and airplane owners now is really high. A long time ago as teacher and part time Ag and weekend warrior I thought I was near the bottom with my $1340 bank repossession Ercoupe and spraying with very junky Pawnees, But fabric work was cheap and low compression carburetor engines would run on station gas. Leaded or unleaded made no difference. What I just couldn't make myself do was use the Rev oil my boss provided. I bought my own Quaker State.

$1 more per gallon for some version of unleaded? I suspect when it’s actually out there and available that the price will be much more than $1 more.

Elections have consequences.

Let's see MTV.... I agreed with statements you made, essentially stating the horse was out of the barn on lead airplane fuel... Nothing I said was political. Are you saying we're not getting a hose job on our energy costs across the board?

We are a capitalist country. Supply and demand and yes greed sets the price of all commodities including fuel. With legislative approval the government may give disaster relief, fund community projects, fund life saving vaccinations, give education grants, provide police, fire, K-12, etc. (semi-socialism.) The idea that a country as large as ours would not borrow workable solutions from various economic theories would limit the pursuit of happiness. General aviation is such a small consumer of gas it would not be economical for oil companies to make any piston aviation fuel. Laissez faire (straight Adam Smith no government involvement) would leave us high and dry. So along with some political help getting the gas, we may have to suffer some rules. Or like the old crop duster, put auto fuel in the airplane. There are millions of automobiles out there. Wait, that would be the insurance company limiting the pursuit of happiness.

rsrguy3 wrote:(...)
When someone says something about 100ll I just laugh and say no and they need to do some independent research if they want to avoid making a fool of themselves again, it’s frankly the best reaction.
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So what does this independent research look like, since you allude that you've done this.

rsrguy3 wrote:Let's see MTV.... I agreed with statements you made, essentially stating the horse was out of the barn on lead airplane fuel... Nothing I said was political. Are you saying we're not getting a hose job on our energy costs across the board?

The petroleum industry OWNS us. My philosophy is, there is nothing I can do about it so I don't worry about it. Think our politicians can/will do something about gas prices??? Seriously? Those people are ALL deep in the pockets of the petroleum industry. Even the ones who scream about the environment.

As to the price of avgas, two things, and I'll shut up:

1.) Many/most of us driving piston powered aircraft have no choice but burn the "certificated" fuel. And, most of the same group are not financially poised to purchase an oil burner.

2.) We are also arguably the one of if not the tiniest market in the petroleum industry. Tiny market, which requires certification/testing, etc, etc.....? Bend over.

So, bottom line, I have no choice and I'm realistic enough to understand that the petroleum industry can set whatever price they like on avgas. They probably view us as an anomaly. And, a political or judicial solution? That is just hilarious.

But, my point was, let's not close another thread with outrageous stuff. Yours weren't, my caution was based on other threads.

MTV

A good, but thick at 844 pages, book that explains how oil companies act more like small countries than like large businesses is "The Prize." They are asked/allowed to collude in time of war (we have lots of those) and then asked not to in time of peace.