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To close for comfort - China Air takeoff

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To close for comfort - China Air takeoff

I wonder what goes through your mind when you physically cross the end of the rwy and your mains are still on the pavement in a B737-800. :shock:




Taiwan-bound China Airlines jet returns to Japan due to speedometer
concerns TOKYO (AP) A China Airlines jet bound for Taiwan returned to an
airport in southwestern Japan after experiencing trouble with its
speed indicators, officials said Friday. There were no injuries or
damage. The Boeing 737-800 left for the Taiwanese capital, Taipei, from
Saga Airport on the southern Japanese island of Kyushu following
repair work after a fracture was found in its fuselage last month,
said Transport Official Kenji Toyama. The 70-centimeter (28-inch) fracture was found Sept. 21, weeks after a similar China Airlines aircraft exploded at another Japanese
airport. The plane took off from Saga Airport on Friday afternoon but
returned about 30 minutes later because there were discrepancies
between the speedometers for the main pilot and the co-pilot, Toyama
said, adding that the cause of fault was not immediately known. The jet was not carrying any passengers and there was no damage to the plane, he said. Toyama said the plane had been slow to take off, using the entire runway before becoming airborne. One of the eight lamps near the end of the runway was later discovered broken, although it was unclear when the damage occurred,
he said. On Aug. 20, a China Airlines Boeing 737-800 that landed at Okinawa's Naha airport exploded in a fireball at a gate seconds after all 157 passengers and eight crew safely evacuated. Investigators found a bolt on the right wing slat had come loose
and pierced a fuel tank, causing fuel to gush out and catch fire. The incident was a blow to the Taiwanese airline, which has been struggling to shake its reputation for having a poor safety record.


Bugs clogged speed-measuring tubes of trouble-hit China Airlines jet TOKYO, Oct. 9 Kyodo - Insects were found lodged in tubes used to measure the airspeed of a China Airlines jetliner that sustained a speedometer defect last week, according to a recent inspection by the Taipei-based company. Last Friday, the Boeing 737-800 aircraft failed to take off properly and hit a runway light as it was leaving Saga airport in Saga Prefecture for Taiwan. It returned to Saga shortly after takeoff, after the pilot and copilot discovered the readings on their speedometers differed. The company inspection showed that the so-called pitot tubes installed in the nose section of the plane were clogged with bugs and apparently indicated incorrect speeds at the time of incident, leading the pilots to fail to carry out appropriate operations. According to a mechanic of a Japanese airline company, the tubes are usually covered by a lid that prevents foreign substances from entering the tubes. If the tubes become frozen or clogged, they may not be able to perform and and could cause an incident, the mechanic said. The Japanese Land, Infrastructure and Transport Ministry is now examining how the bugs became lodged in the tubes. Most aircraft are equipped with three metallic pitot tubes whose inside diameters are around 6 millimeters. They are designed to measure air pressure gaps among the tubes, and thus determine the plane's speed and altitude. China Airlines has completed repairs of the pitot tubes and other parts of the Boeing 737-800 and plans to have it take off again on Wednesday to return to Taiwan. The incident took place after a 77-centimeter crack was found at the bottom of the tail unit of the same airplane when it arrived at Saga airport on Sept. 21. The Boeing 737-800 is the same model as the China Airlines plane that exploded at Naha airport in Okinawa Prefecture on Aug. 20.
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Re: To close for comfort - China Air takeoff

Damn that is a crazy T.O..... This one has been around for quite awhile. Almost as interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvcnOeM03t0
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Perfect they used it all...
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Not sure what went through their heads, but I'll be I know what came out their asses and into their pants....
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Re: To close for comfort - China Air takeoff

What goes through your mind?

1. Pop another notch of flaps. She'll fly at a slower speed, just like on landing.

2. Scream.....FLY BABY FLY!! :shock:

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Re: To close for comfort - China Air takeoff

These are the guys who, at ANC a few years ago, departed on a taxiway in an Airbus A 330 for China, instead of their assigned runway. It was night and perfect weather, and their assigned runway was 32 (a little over 10K feet). They had taxiied to the end of 32 on a taxiway that parallels runway 22R. When cleared for takeoff, runway 32, instead of turning right 90 degrees, onto 32, they powered up, and launched off the taxiway. With a fully loaded and fueled plane going to China. The taxiway was 6,000 feet to the end.

Next morning, I came in to ANC and was landing on runway 6 L. As I passed the end of 6L I noted a huge set of tracks in the snow, departing the end of the parallel taxiway, and going over the ~100 foot cliff and toward Cook Inlet. I asked the tower controller what was up with those tracks, and his response was "Don't ask, contact ground 121.9".

That one musta sucked some seat cushions right on up there.

I'm guessing these guys held it on with a lot of extra speed due to the error in the A/S instrument. If so, good on them, but hard on end lights.

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Most takeoffs in modern jets are done with flex power these days. Reducing the power to the minimum needed to still meet all of the various calculations saves wear and tear, fuel and noise. It makes every takeoff look marginal. It doesn't appear to be the case with China Air this time though.
One story floating around years ago involved a DC-8 doing troop runs to/from Vietnam that got off course and was forced to land in eastern Russia. This was pre-Korean 007 by a few decades. After the intercept and breaking out of a 1500 foot overcast the Captain thought he would overfly the airport to take a look then circle back around and land. The Mig pilot had other ideas, forcing them to land straight in. The next day, after the weather cleared, he said he was real glad they followed the Mig to the ground, the airport was right on the ocean but was otherwise surrounded by 5000 ft. mountains in a narrow valley. He didn't think they would have made the circle successfully.
When all the hand slapping was over the Soviets said get out of here, take your airplane and 180 GI's with you.
The Captain said he did what calculations he could, taxied out, turned around then reversed back the very end of the mat. One thing he remembered from ground school was one of those facts you never expect to use, namely that following rotation it takes the main gear 800 feet before they come off the ground. He said he ran the engines up and let go, when he figured there was 801 feet of runway left he hoisted the nose off the ground. He thought they probably left a rooster tail in the Pacific for at least 30 seconds while accelerating to VR!
Good old ground effect flying, something they don't teach any more.
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