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low rider wrote:FAA could probably bust every one of us for something or another. Doesn’t really matter what us pilots think of someone laying down buzz jobs or whatever. Matters what the FAA thinks . Like it or not . I’m betting the FAA is getting quite sick of you tube pilots and when there is a call to action against one of them they might just have a more difficult time letting whatever they did slide . ……



And many pilots are getting quite sick of un American “administrative law”

The FAA should get tuff on those who are putting other at risk and hurting stuff, and leave those who are not hurting anything alone, basically get their priorities in order

As it stands just between the 737 max and their entire medical side they are viewed as a circus by those who know anything

As a tax paying pilot, as far as I’m concerned I’d vote to defund the FAA at this point
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Ha! Then what ? …. A bit extreme don’t you think? We all know the FAA is a pain in the ass . In general it’s not really that hard to follow the FAR’s.
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I was trained in tailwheel by a South African instructor that you probably all know of. His praise of the FAA compared to what he dealt with in South Africa was nothing short of complete worship of our aviation compliance system.
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Most of us have been military or in some situation under government control. We learn to avoid situations that can become administrative. In Army aviation we call it Warrant Officer mentality. Do your job but don't try to impress anyone. Don't try to beat the system. Stealth.
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The FAA serves at the allowance of the tax payer, they need to step up their service or I’d rather they go file for unemployment
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contactflying wrote:Most of us have been military or in some situation under government control. We learn to avoid situations that can become administrative. In Army aviation we call it Warrant Officer mentality. Do your job but don't try to impress anyone. Don't try to beat the system. Stealth.



Sounds like domestic violence excuses
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Yes, before AOPA legal services we poor pilots tended to mostly just loose, but better now. I ran a pipeline patrol company Cardinal that had no working fuel gauge out of gas and won that case w/AOPA paid lawyer.
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And many pilots are getting quite sick of un American “administrative law”


I grew up in south Texas. Born in 62. I vividly remember all the bumper stickers displayed on every work truck and old car in the neighborhood.

they read

America - Love it or Leave it
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sierrasplitter wrote:
And many pilots are getting quite sick of un American “administrative law”


I grew up in south Texas. Born in 62. I vividly remember all the bumper stickers displayed on every work truck and old car in the neighborhood.

they read

America - Love it or Leave it



Part of loving it is trying to protect it

Like you love your kid, but if he wants to eat cake for dinner every night you still say no

We can have both the best aviation system on earth, and have a FAA that’s needing major overhaul
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Your basically arguing with yourself at this point
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low rider wrote:Your basically arguing with yourself at this point


He’s an argue bot. That's what he does.
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Ahh, no I didn’t

But doesn’t matter,


It does to me. maybe Im the last guy in America that ask for actual proof of action instead of assumptions.



You misunderstood what I said

My point is comparing the punishment

One was resulted in major danger to anyone on those public lands, destruction of a plane and the environment and change for a fire in a place that always catches on fire, etc

Palmer did a low pass and not even a ladybug was harmed


If you are going to compare punishments then you can’t use a bunch of hypotheticals in one case and not the other. I’m not sticking up for dude intentionally crashing his plane, but in reality all he did was that. He didn’t cause harm to anyone, or start a fire. Trent could have easily caused all the same side affects had he had a slight misjudgement or had a duck fly into his windscreen. Chance of fire was probably higher in Trent’s case because he actually had fuel in his plane.
Buzz jobs are fun and all, but do it away from the general airplane hating public and keep it off YouTube.
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NineThreeKilo wrote:
sierrasplitter wrote:
Ahh, no I didn’t

But doesn’t matter,


It does to me. maybe Im the last guy in America that ask for actual proof of action instead of assumptions.



You misunderstood what I said

My point is comparing the punishment

One was resulted in major danger to anyone on those public lands, destruction of a plane and the environment and change for a fire in a place that always catches on fire, etc

Palmer did a low pass and not even a ladybug was harmed


If you are going to compare punishments then you can’t use a bunch of hypotheticals in one case and not the other. I’m not sticking up for dude intentionally crashing his plane, but in reality all he did was that. He didn’t cause harm to anyone, or start a fire. Trent could have easily caused all the same side affects had he had a slight misjudgement or had a duck fly into his windscreen. Chance of fire was probably higher in Trent’s case because he actually had fuel in his plane.
Buzz jobs are fun and all, but do it away from the general airplane hating public and keep it off YouTube.



One can play the “could have” game to the point no one should ever leave their house

All I am saying is it would be nice if the FAA straightened up a little, followed their own rules, used a bit more logic, and got their priorities in order better


Not remotely arguing, simply having a opinion, and one shared by many working in the industry

I don’t know Trent and don’t have any feeling about him one way or another, but I do think he was treated very unfairly and that there is no form of real due process with the FAA once they decide to go after someone
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low rider wrote:Your basically arguing with yourself at this point


He an argue bot. That's what he does.


No he’s not…..
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If you are thinking that I , (don’t want to speak for anyone else but ),,,,,,,, or anyone else is saying he got what he deserves . That is not the case with me . I was a jump pilot for about 400 years . Talk about the FAA being up your ass for no reason every day . I think we can all relate to the FAA and their issues with common sense . Your point is clear there . Now the fact that pretty much all of us have no idea what actually went down that day he lost his license is something to think about . Conversation seems to be draining down the wrong tube . Maybe a bit more discretion is in order on the pilots part in this case ? Maybe not . Fk if I know
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low rider wrote:Your basically arguing with yourself at this point


He an argue bot. That's what he does.


No he’s not…..


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Trent posted a short update on YT. Allegedly he is appealing to eventually get into real court and out of administrative law Kafka court. He also said something to the effect of fighting this so it doesn't become a hammer against other pilots. And he still has flying privileges while all the legal stuff is ongoing. I have to give him credit for not accepting a bogus penalty call.
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More hits on you tube for him I guess . I may be way off base but , this was a neighborhood with 5 acre lots ? We all know the general public are a bunch of pussies. I bet if he went in and landed on the first go someone most likely would have freaked out anyways and raised a stink without the alleged buzz job . I’m all about landing in someone’s yard , but really? Why draw all the attention? Maybe he didn’t break an FAR ? Bet someone in 93kilo’s favorite organization will make a new FAR that makes sure the next guy won’t get away with it . You tube is Fking up a lot of things with the in your face because I may be legal doing what I’m doing now . Slippery slope . Discretion seems to be fading by the wayside Quickly . What a shame
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So did he actually land after the alleged travesty?
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And most importantly .. If he did land was it a wheeler or 3 point ?
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