Well short for 182 standards and my skill.
Apple trees on one end , and a fence on the other, its a bit less than 900ft grass strip.
No floating or else you eat the whole strip.
Lots of fun Pponk is starting to get broken in .

Good landing.

Takeoff: Sometimes when, low, light, and/or with better engines we give up ground effect and vertical space we might have needed another time. But what if something happens to cause us to have needed it this time and we have already given it up?

It is safest to utilize as much ground effect as practicable. It is safest to climb at the lowest pitch up attitude that will comfortably clear obstacles.

Don't let a stronger engine change your good maneuvering flight safety techniques.

Ten of my twelve or thirteen forced landings were well below 200' AGL. Without always having as much kinetic energy (airspeed) as was available, I would not be here bothering people. 50' and slow is hard to work with on a forced landing. 5' and fast is easy to zoom up with maneuvering options rather than just altitude options. Altitude doesn't become a viable maneuvering flight option until out of maneuvering flight range, say 400' or so.

Very nice!!! Back taxi is what the good pilots do! I would have tried to get the girl in the plane even if it cost a few feet on takeoff!!
DENNY

Interesting point of view from more experience than I hope I ever have!
Although I need to think on it a bit, my first thought is that your valued kinetic energy might not be your friend when you arrive at your planned forced landing site, especially if its short, as it may well be.

On The Fly wrote:Interesting point of view from more experience than I hope I ever have!
Although I need to think on it a bit, my first thought is that your valued kinetic energy might not be your friend when you arrive at your planned forced landing site, especially if its short, as it may well be.

I kind of agree. If your light and easily get off, I'd rather have more altitude to find a field to land in rather then be in ground effect heading for trees...

For me it has just been an energy management turn. Seldom has what is strait ahead been where I wanted to land. With flying speed I have zoomed up to a hundred feet or so which has reduced my speed to that of one coming out at Vx to a hundred feet or so. I was able to maneuver, while coming up to a more desirable landing zone. It is a six second deal and yes, once I had maneuvered to good approach, I had to go full flaps and full slip most times to touchdown slowly and softly in the beginning of the landing zone. I never overran the far end of the landing zone.

Unless we are spring loaded to the failure, have already accepted it before starting a takeoff or pull up out of a field, it would be safer to be a couple hundred feet and slow and just land strait ahead. From even much higher, 75 percent of those touchdown mid point or beyond. If we are always as fast as possible and flexible, while low, we can safely maneuver to a a decent landing zone while slowing down most of the time.

We're not just attacking strait ahead with speed. Airspeed becomes altitude and altitude then becomes sustaining airspeed just as in any energy management turn. It is not a big deal if we crave zoom reserve on takeoff and when working or playing down low.

If energy management is to be foreign and ridiculous, then we need abide by the school program. I am not saying the school program is wrong, just that there are more energy efficient ways of doing it. Energy efficiency, while a luxury up high, is critical to safety on takeoff and when working low.

Motoadve has been very energy efficient in past videos. He just let the power send him up a bit quicker than the more energy efficient way this time.

Strip is too short for ground effect in my plane I think, 850 ft, I was in the air at 400ft or so it will be 4 seconds by the time I am at the other end of the strip and there are trees.
Forcing ground effect for 2 seconds to pull up too close to the trees I thought it wasnt worth it, specially since they were low and I had plenty of energy on the take off.

Always open for opinion and discussion though so no problem with me for other to share their point of view, so feel free.

You were there and I wasn't, so I defer to your judgement. The ground effect, the burning vertical space available too soon by going too high over obstacles, the energy management turn, the saving zoom reserve energy in airspeed techniques for maneuverability and possible problems solution are not theory, however. I have been there many times.

You are doing great. I appreciate the videos of your fine takeoff and landing technique. When you are shocked a bit by an engine failure, you will will say "wola" and do a good job.

I'm wondering why whoever owns the strip doesn't rent a couple of acres from his neighbor and move the fence.

Nicely done Moto'. Its fun to see someone squeeze that much performance out of a 182! I see what Contact is saying, and might have kept the nose down a second or two longer. But for the sake of discussion, if you are overpowered and light, why not pop up early where you have a better view of your forced landing options? Staying low and using zoom reserve you may not be able to pick out which opening in the trees you want to head for until you zoom up.

Seeing the drone video it looks like I wanted to be off that place quick and there was indeed room for a bit of ground effect.

Being in the plane feeling a lot more acceleration than before, I was seeing those trees coming up fast, I just pulled up , I am in the learning process of how to manage this new engine which has a lot more power.

motoadve wrote:Seeing the drone video it looks like I wanted to be off that place quick and there was indeed room for a bit of ground effect.

Being in the plane feeling a lot more acceleration than before, I was seeing those trees coming up fast, I just pulled up , I am in the learning process of how to manage this new engine which has a lot more power.

I always welcome advise but I think sometimes you can get too much feedback and advise and over think it if you take everything on board, especially from a video. Looked to be a conservative climb out for a pponked 182 solo to me, hehe, (encouragement intended). Keep the entertainment coming, looking great!

Wow that engine has got some juice!

My plane could do that too.... If its 20*F and a 10 knot headwind and 1/4 tank fuel!

A girl always belongs in the plane. If takeoff performance is an issues simply choose a light girl.