I stumbled on this website:

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA

Click on "details" in the last column and you can see the most recent info.

Obviously states and provinces other than WA are listed across the top of chart.

Hope this helps you MoGas folks.

TD

Great app but relies totally on user input. I hope we all add stations we know that have E0.

I'm not having any luck finding E0 in Tucson. The nearest looks like Benson 40 miles south. Sure would like to find some closer if anyone knows of any.

Maybe you should try asking the local places if they've considered selling E-zero. The local Cenex / Co-op continued selling E-zero for quite a while after the latest E-10 thing started, but eventually they went to E10. I asked how come, they said that they couldn't compete price-wise with the E10 place down the street. I told them that I had to have E-zero for my arplane, but although it didn't have to have it I also fueled my car with it just to support their E-zero sales- in spite of it costing 30 or 40 cents more a gallon than E10. I had an alternate source of E-zero, but premium grade only and for about 75 cents more than the 87 octane at the Cenex. I bit the bullet & bought it for a few years, then all of a sudden Cenex started selling E-zero again. Enough people must have gone in & asked about it to where they realized that they had a market for the stuff.

Yes, it works that way at my home base, Elko, NV. One station in town sells 87 octane E0. They sell it for about 50 cents more than 85 E10. He sells a lot of it, too. Airplanes, boats, bikes, sleds, and construction guys.

I'm in Tucson a lot so would like to find it here. I've talked to a few stations about it, but they don't seem interested yet. I'm sure a station would do well supplying it. Something will turn up eventually I'm sure.

TomD wrote:I stumbled on this website:

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA

Click on "details" in the last column and you can see the most recent info.

Obviously states and provinces other than WA are listed across the top of chart.

Hope this helps you MoGas folks.

TD

I really wIsh this app was more user friendly. I love the idea

TomD wrote:
I stumbled on this website:

http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA

Click on "details" in the last column and you can see the most recent info.

Obviously states and provinces other than WA are listed across the top of chart.

Hope this helps you MoGas folks.

TD


I really wIsh this app was more user friendly. I love the idea


I would add: especially keep prices updated. Recently used this web site while traveling over several states. I purchased E0 at one station only to learn later, less than a half mile away there was another station with the same product for $.50 per gal. less.

Maybe the gas buddy guys can get a non ethanol version. That app is very easy!

Here is another reason a lot of stations don't carry non oxygenated fuel. They need 3 fuel tanks if they do. One for regular gas (with alcohol) and one for high test (with alcohol). If they sell a medium grade, it's a blend of those two tanks. Then the third tank is for the fuel with out alcohol. Of course if they sell diesel, that's more tanks. Up here in Mn. we have stations that sell 91 octane non oxygenated gas. What makes me mad is lately they are charging 90 cents more per gallon for it than the regular gas with alcohol. Still way cheaper than av gas though. Jim Chuk

Mn avidflyer wrote: If they sell a medium grade, it's a blend of those two tanks

When I was a kid I worked at a gas station that definitely had a dedicated tank for mid-grade. I had no idea that the industry had transitioned away from that. Thanks for teaching me something!

Further thread drift:

The old Hancock stations had dispensers (all dispensers at the stations) that had a lever that had about 8 positions. Left for pure low test, right for pure high test. You could select any blend of the 8 you wanted.

The lever changed the mechanical price wheels as it moved, too.

TMI?
--Bill

Anyone remember the old Sunoco stations (I remember them in Florida) where you could dial your octane.

My Norton 750 had really high compression pistons and loved the blue stuff.

TD

CYXX Abbotsford BC advertises ethanol free mogas on site, it is NOT ethanol free, I have measured over 10% ethanol there twice. Buyer beware.

For how easy it is to check for ethanol, I would recommend ALWAYS checking, just in case. It could easily not be the fault of the person/company selling it, they could have received the wrong fuel from their supplier.

hotrod180 wrote:Maybe you should try asking the local places if they've considered selling E-zero......, then all of a sudden Cenex started selling E-zero again. Enough people must have gone in & asked about it to where they realized that they had a market for the stuff.

Almost two years since this post, and the local Cenex / Co-op is still selling 87 octane E-zero.
$3.10 a gallon, vs $2.67 at the lowest-priced E10 regular (QFC).
And $5 at the airport for 100LL.

Take the ethanol out. Considering the lengths some folks are going through to find non-alcohol gas, and now I reaD that people are paying higher prices for it... at some point it becomes the lesser of two evils to take the s**t out yourself.

Certainly in a back country flying community, where there is more than one airplane that can safely use the car gas, it would seem feasible that two or three guys can get together and have a shared tank setup.

Yes it will take a little extra time. Nothing will ever be easier than just having what you want handed to you with no fuss. But if you save X cents or dollars a gallon... at some point your wallet is going to start screaming loud enough.

All that said, I'm informed by a trained chemist that car gas is absolutely not as high quality of a distillate as avgas, and if you have a choice of being able to afford both car gas and avgas then avgas is better for your airplane.

EZFlap wrote:Take the ethanol out. .

This begs the question; How do you propose to get the ethanol out?

There is a process, as I recall it involved pouring in water which bonds to the ethanol.
The water / ethanol mix settles to the bottom of your fuel tank, then you drain it off.
IMHO not very practical to do with the kind of fuel quantities required for more than a very very short flight.
There might also be other ways to do it, but I would guess they would be just as impractical (or more so) for most of us.

hotrod180 wrote:

hotrod180 wrote:Maybe you should try asking the local places if they've considered selling E-zero......, then all of a sudden Cenex started selling E-zero again. Enough people must have gone in & asked about it to where they realized that they had a market for the stuff.

Almost two years since this post, and the local Cenex / Co-op is still selling 87 octane E-zero.
$3.10 a gallon, vs $2.67 at the lowest-priced E10 regular (QFC).
And $5 at the airport for 100LL.

Up here in Lynden WA they jacked the price of ethanol free, which is either 89 or 90 octane depending on who you buy it from. It used to be about a 10-15c/gallon premium over regular unleaded, but now it is around 90c-$1 more. Regular unleaded is around 2.40-2.50/G and ethanol free is around $3.40. I am curious to find out if Premium at some stations in WA are actually ethanol free like they are in Southern BC.

After many years of searching/hoping, looking for ethanol free fuel around El Paso, a Murphy station opened with dedicated ethanol free gas pumps. Couldn't believe it, tested it, and yep, no ethanol. It's 88 octane, but we're at 4K feet, works real well in my O-360A1A, without vapor issues. Sometimes the gods smile on us.
Dave

EZFlap wrote:Take the ethanol out. Considering the lengths some folks are going through to find non-alcohol gas, and now I reaD that people are paying higher prices for it... at some point it becomes the lesser of two evils to take the s**t out yourself.

Certainly in a back country flying community, where there is more than one airplane that can safely use the car gas, it would seem feasible that two or three guys can get together and have a shared tank setup.

Yes it will take a little extra time. Nothing will ever be easier than just having what you want handed to you with no fuss. But if you save X cents or dollars a gallon... at some point your wallet is going to start screaming loud enough.

All that said, I'm informed by a trained chemist that car gas is absolutely not as high quality of a distillate as avgas, and if you have a choice of being able to afford both car gas and avgas then avgas is better for your airplane.

Your chemist friend is correct that mogas is not of the quality of avgas. AND, the crap ( base gas before adding ethanol) they use to make E-10 is even worse. So taking out the ethanol would give you gas unfit for a model T and even starting with premium E-10 would only leave you with roughly regular octane after removal. If you need booze free fuel of higher octane but you have access to regular E-0, then the cheapest route is to boost the E-0 reg with 100LL as the reformates and/or alkylates in the E-0 will respond extremely well to the lead to a degree that is somewhat greater than the mathematical mixture. So if your mix does "mathematically" come out to what you need for octane, then the actual octane is even a little higher than that. Don't count on it but use that for an insurance fudge factor. As for legality, that is a whole other matter.