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1956 182 bush options

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Re: 1956 182 bush options

Hoeschen wrote:I'm looking at a couple 1956/57 182's to buy. One of them is very nice, restored, new engine, prop, interior, paint avionics, panel, wiring etc but in its stock configuration. The other is pretty worn inside and out with a dated hodge podge panel but it has a low time P. Ponk engine, sportsman STOL, 8:50 tires, and Selkirk extended baggage.

How does a stock 56' 182 perform? Bush wheels and extended baggage seem like affordable upgrades, hard to pass on a P.Ponk though... A nice panel is important to
me. Both are the same cost.

What to do, what to do,


I have 4 Straight Tail 182's ,2 56's a 58 and 59. 56's have lowest empty air frame weight as well as lowest gross. With standard 56 182 you'll be able to to 90 % of the Supercub landing sites. Manual Flaps ,Sportsman STOL and over-sized gear will sweeten the deal. Most of all keep it light -fly it right..Landis nose fork is great but I have nose fork off of Cessna twin that will take a 700x6 tire .I run 700x6 or 800's on the mains and go anywhere I want. Get Cleveland Double puck brakes -extended baggage compartment.Bigger engine P.Ponk is fine but expect higher fuel burn.
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182 STOL driver wrote:Get Cleveland Double puck brakes


Bill, who holds the STC for the dbl pucks on the 182? Was it ABW? Do you run the 030-05213 caliper (that comes with the 199-62 kit?)
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Re: 1956 182 bush options

Is there an STCd firewall battery mount for a 56 182? I like the extended baggage without the battery box hump back there.
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http://www.univair.com/content/fadodge_catalog.pdf

Firewall battery rack for Odyssey battery is on page 169. $385, but not STC'd for 182. It is STCd for 180/185, so a field approval might be pretty easy.

Burls also sells an STC'd battery rack for a firewall-mounted Odyssey, also STC'd for the 180/185 but not the 182. Ditto re field approval.

http://www.burlac.com/STCs_Other_Aircraft.html
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Hoeschen wrote:Is there an STCd firewall battery mount for a 56 182? I like the extended baggage without the battery box hump back there.


I believe 182StolDriver has the demonstrated approval method (337 form) and has the material/kit for the firewall mounted battery box.
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hotrod180 wrote:Burls also sells an STC'd battery rack for a firewall-mounted Odyssey, also STC'd for the 180/185 but not the 182. Ditto re field approval.

http://www.burlac.com/STCs_Other_Aircraft.html


Am I missing something when looking at the applicability list for the Burl's battery box? The 182 is listed through the Q model:

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guida ... 20firewall

I started a stub reference for cool stuff to do to a 182, but need help sourcing the best mods. Who's a 182 expert and can weigh in with specific products/mods and STC numbers/links?

https://www.backcountrypilot.org/knowle ... ifications

Battson compiled a short list for me last year, but it needs the links to the STCs:

Airframe
Flight Bonus airspeed kit Horton STOLcraft Applicable: 1962-1982

Baggage / cargo
Extended baggage kits (fibreglass/AL) Selkirk Aviation Applicability: 1956-1961
Extended baggage kits (fibreglass only) Selkirk Aviation Applicability: 1962 to 1970, 1971 - 1980

Controls

Engine
300hp IO-520 and -550 engines Texas Skyways, Air Plains Services, John Jewell Aircraft Inc Applicability: ?
260hp IO-470 engine Peterson's Performance Plus Applicability: ?
Auto-fuel conversion Petersen Aviation, Experimental Aircraft Association Applicability: 1956-1977

Floats
Aerocet 3500L floats Seaplanes West Applicability: 1962-1986
Edo floats Red Lake Seaplane Service Applicability: 1956-1971
Wipaire floats Wipaire Applicability: late models only

Fuel system
Umbrella-style fuel caps Monarch Air and Development, Cessna Applicability: 1956-1979
Rigid fuel tank (replaces bladder type) Monarch Air and Development
Fuel flow gauge Electronics International, JP Instruments Applicability: All
Increased fuel capacity Monarch Air , Flint Aero

Landing gear / brakes / tires
Airglas Large Nose Fork (up to 8.50x6) Airglas Inc. Applicability: All STC #: SA2069AK

Propeller
McCauley Blackmac, Hartzell Top Prop Rocky Mountain Propellers Applicability: Various – see STC
MT propeller Flight Resources LLC, MT Propeller Applicability: All Continental STC #: SA02294CH

Seating and Restraints
Shoulder Harnesses BAS, Wag-aero, Aircraft Belts Applicable: All

Skis
Wings
Leading edge STOL kit and wing fence Horton STOL Craft, Flite Research Applicability: All
Robertson STOL kit Sierra Industries Applicablility: ?
SportsmanSTOL leading edge kit Stene Aviation Applicability: All STC #: SA4303WE
Wing-X ‘Antigravity’ STOL & up-gross 2950lbs Air Research Technology Inc Applicability: All
Vortex Generators Micro Aerodynamics Inc Applicability: All

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Bubble windows Great Lakes Aero Products Inc. Applicability: All
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Re: 1956 182 bush options

Don't sell the RV! Buy the 182 and then a Supercub. Trust me you will love life!
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182 STOL driver wrote:With standard 56 182 you'll be able to to 90 % of the Supercub landing sites.


Forgive me, but me thinks your selling a bit of BS... Perhaps 50%, but with 90 your eyes turn brown... My wagon is pretty well set up and I can get a cub in a whole bunch more places than I can the Wagon.
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Re: 1956 182 bush options

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182 STOL driver wrote:Get Cleveland Double puck brakes


Bill, who holds the STC for the dbl pucks on the 182? Was it ABW? Do you run the 030-05213 caliper (that comes with the 199-62 kit?)


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I did some research yesterday in prep for some upgrades on Jake's 182... Didnt see the Burls, but FA Dodge has the STC to run the 199-62 Cleveland kit.
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hotrod180 wrote:Burls also sells an STC'd battery rack for a firewall-mounted Odyssey, also STC'd for the 180/185 but not the 182. Ditto re field approval.
http://www.burlac.com/STCs_Other_Aircraft.html


Am I missing something when looking at the applicability list for the Burl's battery box? The 182 is listed through the Q model:
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guida ... 20firewall .....


Good job researching, Zane. I was just going by what Burl's website said.
Personally if I was doing a field approval for a firewall mount, I'd just go with the Odyssey hold down bracket that Spruce sells. Very clean & simple, and only about $40.
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182 STOL driver wrote:With standard 56 182 you'll be able to to 90 % of the Supercub landing sites.


Forgive me, but me thinks your selling a bit of BS... Perhaps 50%, but with 90 your eyes turn brown... My wagon is pretty well set up and I can get a cub in a whole bunch more places than I can the Wagon.

I don't think a souped up Maule would be good for 90% of Super Cub landing places...
But I guess it all depends on your personal list of places.
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Forgive me, but me thinks your selling a bit of BS... Perhaps 50%, but with 90 your eyes turn brown... My wagon is pretty well set up and I can get a cub in a whole bunch more places than I can the Wagon.


You just need more practice I guess.
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Battson wrote:But I guess it all depends on your personal list of places.


Everyone should remember this line when these debates come up.
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Re: 1956 182 bush options

So in order to apply the burls Stc for a firewall mounted battery on a 182, do I need to buy the parts and/or Stc from them? Can I buy the univair box for this? Does this stuff need to be ran past the local FSDO before diving in?
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90% of where a cub goes? I don't think so. Feel free to follow me around. I guess I'm using my cub above what most would.
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I wouldn't complain about more cruise speed. My problem is when I'm going somewhere I always find cool places to land where the cub comes in handy
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Tom wrote:90% of where a cub goes? I don't think so. Feel free to follow me around. I guess I'm using my cub above what most would.
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I wouldn't complain about more cruise speed. My problem is when I'm going somewhere I always find cool places to land where the cub comes in handy



Come on down to the Grand Canyon-Well meet at "Carl International" 7200 msl on north rim of Grand Canyon---800ft long if you count the overrun. One way in one way out -canyon walls on 3 sides.
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Tom wrote:90% of where a cub goes? I don't think so. Feel free to follow me around. I guess I'm using my cub above what most would.
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I wouldn't complain about more cruise speed. My problem is when I'm going somewhere I always find cool places to land where the cub comes in handy



Come on down to the Grand Canyon-Well meet at "Carl International" 7200 msl on north rim of Grand Canyon---800ft long if you count the overrun.


Sounds like a plan. We have to get back out to Utah again. It was a fun spot.
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Hoeschen wrote:So in order to apply the burls Stc for a firewall mounted battery on a 182, do I need to buy the parts and/or Stc from them? Can I buy the univair box for this? Does this stuff need to be ran past the local FSDO before diving in?


Yes, you would need to buy the battery box & STC from Burls. Could buy the battery elsewhere but unless it saves you major money why bother? An STC'd mod can be done, and the paperwork (form 337 AND logbook entry) signed off by your IA-- FAA is not involved other than issuing the STC to begin with. However you must mail a copy of the completed 337 to FAA in Oklahoma City.
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Re: 1956 182 bush options

Building your RV-9A and learning and doing things on an airplane that you get to fly and change to new technology. You now step into the world of certified sixty year old tin that is tractor technology and have to get approval to do just about anything . :roll:
(EBO) Experimental Bush Options is what you need.
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