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26 inch Goodyears

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lowflyin'G3 wrote:On the other hand we also now realize what 31's are and how functional they are off-airport BUT we can see our way to the 35's now!
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With boats it's called one-footitis, as soon as you step up to a bigger boat you start eyeing one a foot bigger. With BW's I guess it'll be known as two-inchitis ;-)

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Roger that Echo Alpha,
It's just funny how that works. When the 31's were ordered we though that the 35's were unneccessary overkill and "surely we'd never need them that big" . Then we flew the 31's in some rocks and mud and holes and saw the benefits of larger, softer tires. Immediately we wondered if they had a trade in program!
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All this talk of BW's etc. and the fact that I really need to figure out what to do for new rubber, has made me resurrect this thread. First question for Jeff. Did you get your 337 finished? (I would assume so) How did that go and what was the cost? Is the actual height 24" or ? Did you use this tire from skygeek?

Goodyear® Flight Custom III
26 x 10.5-6 Ply Tubeless, 26" Tundra Tire
301-469-440
Price: $350.00



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Thanks in advance...

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I haven't completed the 337 process yet, it's my own fault related to having a baby in four weeks. The Goodyears are fine, I've test flown them out in the desert, and they soak up bumps considerably better than 8.50s. More later.
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Jeff,

Keep us posted on the little co-pilot.

I think I'm going to talk to my A&P about the 337 on the Goodyears and go from there.

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I have a pair of 31X13 Airstreaks with new caps that I would sell but only to someone who knows what Airstreaks are. These were tubeless and they leaked so tubes were installed but the tubes are bad now so... They were sort of like bushwheels but about 1/5 the price. But... As always you get what you pay for.

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Just out of curiosity, how much did your Airstreaks weigh?

If your going to be landing on asphalt a lot I don't think you can beat the Good Year 26" for wear.

The new Bush Wheels 26" Radial might be as durable and are actually a little larger than the GY 26".

Premium Aircraft parts were selling the GY's last year for $595.00 a pair, shipping included to the lower 48. Add the $150.00 for the STC and the $745.00 total was still close to $500.00 cheaper than CC, who are better known as Copy Cheats.
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I think the Airstreaks are about 50 lbs.

The original tread lasted a long time. Mine have new caps but I don't think anyone will cap them anymore.
I never had approval to use them but I never had anyone question their use. They were never TSO'd so any there is no question of legal use now.

I think Jeremy told me he had a 337 for the installation but I am sure that is of now use now.

Experimental use only. Or... You could do as I do and just put them on and fly.

The issue of slippage on the rim (mine have been converted to tubes) is really a small problem.

I think the 26's with the STC for under $800 sounds like a deal and as long as you stay away from the rocks they should be fine. Lots of people use them.

Once you use a large soft tire like Airstreaks or Bushwheels and then go back to 8.50's you want to be careful and not kill yourself.
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Thanks for the info on the Airstreaks.

For those who missed it, this is an interesting read http://www.flyingmag.com/article.asp?section_id=13&article_id=576
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Being that BW is basically the same size and has the STC for many planes, how hard do you think it would be to make the argument for an approval? I would think that it would be easier as that size tire is show to work.

What do you think?

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The rule now (as I understand it) is: " No approval for non TSO'd tires".

The field approval process for Tundra tires has changed.

That "Flying Mag" piece explanes it well although it looks like an infomercial for B.W.

I am sure Jeremy can help out here.

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The Goodyear 26 inch tires were made (and are still made) as tubeless tires for the blimps. Goodyear just saw the opportunity to market them to a different niche. On the blimps, they run wheels that permit them to be run without tubes.

On conventional aircraft, you have to run them with tubes, and you use the Goodyear 8.50 x 6.00 tubes. Note that not all 8.50 tires and tubes are the same size. Goodyear stuff is pretty consistent. Use their tubes if possible. Tubes in this size are expensive as well.

The tires are treadless, so they throw less junk at your tail, which is good.

The sidewalls DO NOT flex well, which is one of the big differences between these tires and BW tires. Really, there is no comparison between these and BW, and it's not just a price thing.

Bushwheels are lighter, they are larger, and they flex MUCH better.

They also cost an arm, two legs, and your pet collie, Max.

The Goodyears can spin if run at too low a pressure. I always ran them no lower than 12 pounds to be conservative. Remember that when you go from a warm hangar to outside at 30 degrees, the air inside those tires changes pressure, so monitor them carefully, and set pressure for ambient where you are landing.

Put slippage marks on the tires and rims as well, to permit you to know when a tire has moved. This is essential. If it moves much, you'll shear the valve stem, and there you are.

These things work fine, but they aren't bushwheels.

As to the baby bushwheel tailwheel, it is a wonder, and it is far superior to the competition. The older modified tailwheel has very little clearance between the tire and fork, and this can be (will be) problematic.

Alaska Bush Wheels now manufactures a complete line of replacement parts for the Scott tailwheels, and their stuff is first quality.

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Most of us realize, for 90% of the flyers in the lower 48, AK Bushwheels aren't needed. But hey, if they look cool and you don't have anything else to spend the money on.....

For multi use asphalt and occasional off field, dirt and grass landings it's hard to beat a Good Year 8.50x6 or 26". Neither of these tires throw much junk at your tail.

The bias ply Bushwheels were very soft, the new radials are stiffer. Your wasting a lot of money if your going to be running the bias ply bushwheel on asphalt. The durability of the radials on asphalt is yet to be determined.

Does anyone here have the actual weights (no guessing) of the tires in question?

We have run the Goodyears with as low as 10lbs on dirt, gravel and salt sage flats under heavy braking and never had a problem slipping a wheel or shearing a stem. On asphalt we have run them 12-14 lbs and still no problems. They hold up well and seem to last a long long time.

If you were to run these tires mainly on asphalt I would run 12-14 lbs in them. Pretty obvious the tire slippage and stem shearing was due to a combination of running them at low pressure on asphalt during heavy braking. Heard of one guy slipping a Goodyear only to find out he was running an undersize tube in the tire.

Wheel land and takeoff with the tail up in the rough stuff like your supposed to and you don't need no baby bushwheel either.

Glad to see AKB is making rebuild parts for the Scott 3200.
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Heard about a pretty neat trick (if it works) to avoid slippage & valvestem-ectomies when running low tire pressure: apply some rubber cement to the bead and let it dry, then install the tire on the wheel. Adds enough traction to avoid slippage, without making the tire unremovable.
Or you can drill the wheels & run screw(s) into the bead.

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Regular clear silicone seal works great too.

Have an extra set of new Good Year 26" sitting in the hangar so I got one out and weighed it. It comes in at exactly 24lbs per tire. The only scale I had handy was a fish scale so not sure how accurate it is. Didn't have a spare 850x6 tube to weigh.

If your going to use the 850x6 on a taildragger, It's hard to beat the Good Year as it has a nice round profile and only four grooves in the tire.
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Just had an IA tell me that hockey tape on the tire bead radius also helps prevent slippage (the double-stick kind, that you tape your blade with)

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