I'm thinking of going to school this Winter to be a drone pilot. I'm probably just burned out on my business right now, but I've got an even 20 years in, I'm 46 and debt free, so starting a second career isn't extremely risky. I'm not interested in being a sniper for the military. I'd like to hire myself out to power companies, fish and game, farmers, and who knows.....
I'm looking for advice from others that might be in line ahead of me or know something about it. I understand the controversy over drones and share some of the reservations myself but would like to hear from others that think they're a handy tool.
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:54 pm
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I wouldn't hang your career hat on drones.
With any luck the FAA will soon restrict these aerial mines out of existence.
When the fatalities happen from a drone-airplane collision (which won't be far off IMO) I hope and pray that the victims families sue the manufacturers and operators out of existence for generations to come.
I've already had two way too close encounters with these f-Ing things. The last one was at over 3000 agl.
With any luck the FAA will soon restrict these aerial mines out of existence.
When the fatalities happen from a drone-airplane collision (which won't be far off IMO) I hope and pray that the victims families sue the manufacturers and operators out of existence for generations to come.
I've already had two way too close encounters with these f-Ing things. The last one was at over 3000 agl.
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:32 pm
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Av8r3400 wrote:I wouldn't hang your career hat on drones.
With any luck the FAA will soon restrict these aerial mines out of existence.
When the fatalities happen from a drone-airplane collision (which won't be far off IMO) I hope and pray that the victims families sue the manufacturers and operators out of existence for generations to come.
I've already had two way too close encounters with these f-Ing things. The last one was at over 3000 agl.
WTF!! Better start sueing gun manufactures and car companys and oh yes airplane manufactures who make the plane that some pilot runs into another airplane!
How rediculous is this statemant in the USA!!!!
Operator Yes but the manufacturer ????????????????
Lets make it so safe that know one gets hurt!!! I have to shut up now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:38 pm
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Drones are here to stay. There is going to be way too much money involved to deny that.
But people who fly them are as much pilots as system administrators are electrical engineers.
But people who fly them are as much pilots as system administrators are electrical engineers.
Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:17 pm
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Some of the work I'm interested in doing is what helicopters are doing now. It seems to me that real pilots are the best chance for operating these things safely since we're scared of running into one. As far as what kind of pilot it takes, I think it would have to take some skill to locate trees on power lines during a windstorm, lost snowmobilers in a whiteout, wolves in a canyon, etc. Flying my little nano around the hangar with the POV goggles isn't easy.
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:23 pm
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M6RV6 wrote:WTF!! Better start sueing gun manufactures and car companys and oh yes airplane manufactures who make the plane that some pilot runs into another airplane!!
That's an apples to onions comparison.
These are aerial vehicles designed (by the manufacturer) to be used out of sight from the operator. A gun, car or airplane are nothing even close to comparable to an autonomous drone designed to be operated blindly in the presence of manned aircraft.
I hope and pray it isn't you strapped into a disabled, uncontrollable aircraft after slamming into a near invisible 40# drone over inhospitable terrain.
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Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:00 pm
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I'm a low-hour student pilot (right at 50 hours in my logbook, and awaiting a checkride) but I've been designing, building and flying UAV's for quite a few years; well before they hit front page news. My interest in UAV's is what pulled me into flying "real" airplanes. The FAA's current restrictions limit their operation to below 400'AGL, line of sight only, and greater than 5 miles from an airport. They also must observe any TFR's, NOTAM's, etc. There are additional restrictions imposed on commercial operation. I believe that UAV's can operate safely without imposing risk on manned aircraft. I'm not suggesting that there is NO risk; rogue operators can certainly choose to ignore the rules and restrictions. I recognize the need for rules (and enforcement of those rules) to keep the skies safe. The thought of even a small UAV sharing the same space as an airplane that I am piloting is unpleasant at best.
I think that the FAA has done well to limit commercial drone operation to licensed pilots; while it is a bit "overkill" for drone operation, it certainly covers the things that a drone pilot needs to know to operate safely. I personally have a new respect for the restrictions, and understand why strict compliance with them is necessary. Several years ago, the only guidelines that were in place were two crudely typed paragraphs. I conducted some flights during that time that I would not choose to do again, now that I've spent some time in the cockpit.
I have a small fleet of UAV's right now (all my own design); including some heavy-lift airframes with a magnetic grapple designed to deliver a payload, one that can deploy an underwater camera, and one equipped with a thermal camera. I have several equipped with 3 different types of cameras, all with GeoTagging capabilities. Most of them are designed for fully autonomous flight; guided by GPS and ultrasonic proximity sensors. Some are also equipped with video transmitters. Even though I am restricted to line of sight, the autonomous flight is very handy for getting precise overlap on photographs, and the video transmitter is excellent for camera aiming and shot framing. I have been using these capabilities to develop 3D models of small plots of timber (<200 acres); with the models I can calculate volumes, measure distances, count trees, etc.
I have been experimenting with different uses over the years, but since I live in the PNW (and I am a firefighter) my focus has shifted toward the forestry and firefighting/rescue industries. I have done a fair bit of consulting with regional timber businesses and landowners. Even with line-of-sight and altitude restrictions, there are a great number of uses for UAV's. They are here to stay, and I am guessing that the drone industry will grow substantially during the next 10 years.
I think that the FAA has done well to limit commercial drone operation to licensed pilots; while it is a bit "overkill" for drone operation, it certainly covers the things that a drone pilot needs to know to operate safely. I personally have a new respect for the restrictions, and understand why strict compliance with them is necessary. Several years ago, the only guidelines that were in place were two crudely typed paragraphs. I conducted some flights during that time that I would not choose to do again, now that I've spent some time in the cockpit.
I have a small fleet of UAV's right now (all my own design); including some heavy-lift airframes with a magnetic grapple designed to deliver a payload, one that can deploy an underwater camera, and one equipped with a thermal camera. I have several equipped with 3 different types of cameras, all with GeoTagging capabilities. Most of them are designed for fully autonomous flight; guided by GPS and ultrasonic proximity sensors. Some are also equipped with video transmitters. Even though I am restricted to line of sight, the autonomous flight is very handy for getting precise overlap on photographs, and the video transmitter is excellent for camera aiming and shot framing. I have been using these capabilities to develop 3D models of small plots of timber (<200 acres); with the models I can calculate volumes, measure distances, count trees, etc.
I have been experimenting with different uses over the years, but since I live in the PNW (and I am a firefighter) my focus has shifted toward the forestry and firefighting/rescue industries. I have done a fair bit of consulting with regional timber businesses and landowners. Even with line-of-sight and altitude restrictions, there are a great number of uses for UAV's. They are here to stay, and I am guessing that the drone industry will grow substantially during the next 10 years.
Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:07 am
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sewerzuk wrote:I'm a low-hour student pilot (right at 50 hours in my logbook, and awaiting a checkride) but I've been designing, building and flying UAV's for quite a few years; well before they hit front page news. My interest in UAV's is what pulled me into flying "real" airplanes. The FAA's current restrictions limit their operation to below 400'AGL, line of sight only, and greater than 5 miles from an airport. They also must observe any TFR's, NOTAM's, etc. There are additional restrictions imposed on commercial operation. I believe that UAV's can operate safely without imposing risk on manned aircraft. I'm not suggesting that there is NO risk; rogue operators can certainly choose to ignore the rules and restrictions. I recognize the need for rules (and enforcement of those rules) to keep the skies safe. The thought of even a small UAV sharing the same space as an airplane that I am piloting is unpleasant at best.
I think that the FAA has done well to limit commercial drone operation to licensed pilots; while it is a bit "overkill" for drone operation, it certainly covers the things that a drone pilot needs to know to operate safely. I personally have a new respect for the restrictions, and understand why strict compliance with them is necessary. Several years ago, the only guidelines that were in place were two crudely typed paragraphs. I conducted some flights during that time that I would not choose to do again, now that I've spent some time in the cockpit.
I have a small fleet of UAV's right now (all my own design); including some heavy-lift airframes with a magnetic grapple designed to deliver a payload, one that can deploy an underwater camera, and one equipped with a thermal camera. I have several equipped with 3 different types of cameras, all with GeoTagging capabilities. Most of them are designed for fully autonomous flight; guided by GPS and ultrasonic proximity sensors. Some are also equipped with video transmitters. Even though I am restricted to line of sight, the autonomous flight is very handy for getting precise overlap on photographs, and the video transmitter is excellent for camera aiming and shot framing. I have been using these capabilities to develop 3D models of small plots of timber (<200 acres); with the models I can calculate volumes, measure distances, count trees, etc.
I have been experimenting with different uses over the years, but since I live in the PNW (and I am a firefighter) my focus has shifted toward the forestry and firefighting/rescue industries. I have done a fair bit of consulting with regional timber businesses and landowners. Even with line-of-sight and altitude restrictions, there are a great number of uses for UAV's. They are here to stay, and I am guessing that the drone industry will grow substantially during the next 10 years.
That's pretty cool. I too have used them in forestry calculating tons per acre. I've always had to hire it done so far. Thanks for the post.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:33 am
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I am also interested in this. Their usefulness cannot be denied. As far as the regulatory aspects, there certainly are some issues. My guess is the UAV's used commercially will end up in the system carrying ADS-B equipment just like everyone else who is supposed to. The good and bad is certainly a debate that will continue.
Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:04 am
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My Dad was a fixed wing aerial applicator and had no use for helicopters. I keep thinking about how there are helicopters that spray crops and why not operate one like a drone. Would sure be nice when it is too wet to get into a field that needs spraying.
Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:59 am
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gbflyer wrote:I am also interested in this. Their usefulness cannot be denied. As far as the regulatory aspects, there certainly are some issues. My guess is the UAV's used commercially will end up in the system carrying ADS-B equipment just like everyone else who is supposed to. The good and bad is certainly a debate that will continue.
That works so long as every aircraft has ADS-B - which not all are required.
Requiring larger drones to "See and avoid" is one option - using radar, HD cameras or some other such scheme - but they need to be able to get out of our way. We won't see them in time and they are much more maneuverable than we are.
Drone regulations will be just like gun control.
We're not going to get killed by the ones following the rules.
Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:23 am
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Bagarre wrote:gbflyer wrote:I am also interested in this. Their usefulness cannot be denied. As far as the regulatory aspects, there certainly are some issues. My guess is the UAV's used commercially will end up in the system carrying ADS-B equipment just like everyone else who is supposed to. The good and bad is certainly a debate that will continue.
That works so long as every aircraft has ADS-B - which not all are required.
...yet.
I imagine the folks in OK City are pretty frustrated also. This is no doubt adding a level of administration that there's little budget for. I wonder what we can do as a flying community to contribute in a constructive way?
Not trying to derail nosedragger's thread. Sorry. There's a whole other thread somewhere here about the ins and outs of UAV's.
Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:39 am
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Nosedragger,
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To get back to your original question, there are a few Universities that offer degrees in UAS. Embry Riddle and UND both offer such degrees, and both schools are deeply involved in many levels of the UAS conundrum.
I think right now, the largest single problem with such a degree is that nobody currently knows what the rules are going to be, nobody knows if the UAS they are currently designing will end up being a dead end because it turns out it can't function in the rules, if and when they actually are implemented.
I totally agree that UAS are here and they will proliferate. Problem is, it's a little too soon to get too deep in the whole university degree program on the topic.....opinion only.
What i would do if I were interested in this would be to enroll in a University based flight training program, with an engineering or business emphasis, perhaps, or some other degree program that will eventually support the use of UAS.....agriculture, for example.
I think it's inevitable that UAS operators are almost certainly going to have to be certificated to fly, at least at some level, if they want to operate these things commercially. And, commercial operation is where the money is going to be, not video recording weddings, etc.
Customs and Border Protection and the Air Force are currently operating Predators and Reapers, both in this country and abroad. You may want to consider going down one of those roads. Pay is decent, and you'll be getting experience that will be invaluable as the industry expands. My understanding is that both CBP and the AF are having trouble retaining UAV pilots, so there may well be a good chance of getting into one of those outfits.
But, in any case, I think it's safe to suggest that if you want to get into a well paying career in UAS, you'll need a university degree of some kind. If you already have a degree, perhaps go to one of the schools that is offering UAS coursework and take additional classes.
Good luck.
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To get back to your original question, there are a few Universities that offer degrees in UAS. Embry Riddle and UND both offer such degrees, and both schools are deeply involved in many levels of the UAS conundrum.
I think right now, the largest single problem with such a degree is that nobody currently knows what the rules are going to be, nobody knows if the UAS they are currently designing will end up being a dead end because it turns out it can't function in the rules, if and when they actually are implemented.
I totally agree that UAS are here and they will proliferate. Problem is, it's a little too soon to get too deep in the whole university degree program on the topic.....opinion only.
What i would do if I were interested in this would be to enroll in a University based flight training program, with an engineering or business emphasis, perhaps, or some other degree program that will eventually support the use of UAS.....agriculture, for example.
I think it's inevitable that UAS operators are almost certainly going to have to be certificated to fly, at least at some level, if they want to operate these things commercially. And, commercial operation is where the money is going to be, not video recording weddings, etc.
Customs and Border Protection and the Air Force are currently operating Predators and Reapers, both in this country and abroad. You may want to consider going down one of those roads. Pay is decent, and you'll be getting experience that will be invaluable as the industry expands. My understanding is that both CBP and the AF are having trouble retaining UAV pilots, so there may well be a good chance of getting into one of those outfits.
But, in any case, I think it's safe to suggest that if you want to get into a well paying career in UAS, you'll need a university degree of some kind. If you already have a degree, perhaps go to one of the schools that is offering UAS coursework and take additional classes.
Good luck.
MTV
Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:14 am
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gbflyer wrote: I wonder what we can do as a flying community to contribute in a constructive way?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRtH6uRM2ww
Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:01 pm
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I, like many of us on this forum I am sure, have been involved with model aviation for most of my late childhood and adult life. I continue to fly model aircraft and get a great deal of enjoyment from it. Having been certified PPL for many years I can appreciate both sides of this discussion but I want to comment on the OP's inquiry.
I know several people that are employed by government contractors to both fly and perform maintenance on UAV's. Most of these contacts are through those I have met in model aviation. Many of the UAV pilots that I know were sought out through the model community for their skill sets that were already in place. There is some pretty good money to be made if you have the skill set they are looking for. I discussed this a year ago thinking it would be a nice change of scenery. When I found out that to get a flying job, they would really expect me to do the first couple of years in Afghanistan, I change my mind.
There is no question that these platforms are here to stay. Technology is advancing so rapidly that it is difficult to keep on track of even a finely tuned career path. If I were a young man (I am not) I might follow this dream, simply because I am a tech head and would love to be on the development team for some of this new form of aviation.
Good advice on seeking out a university program. No doubt that would pay off in the long term.
I know several people that are employed by government contractors to both fly and perform maintenance on UAV's. Most of these contacts are through those I have met in model aviation. Many of the UAV pilots that I know were sought out through the model community for their skill sets that were already in place. There is some pretty good money to be made if you have the skill set they are looking for. I discussed this a year ago thinking it would be a nice change of scenery. When I found out that to get a flying job, they would really expect me to do the first couple of years in Afghanistan, I change my mind.
There is no question that these platforms are here to stay. Technology is advancing so rapidly that it is difficult to keep on track of even a finely tuned career path. If I were a young man (I am not) I might follow this dream, simply because I am a tech head and would love to be on the development team for some of this new form of aviation.
Good advice on seeking out a university program. No doubt that would pay off in the long term.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:41 pm
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Thanks for all the great advice and taking the time to submit your experiences guys. My latest hurdle is getting a commercial rating as a color blind pilot. Oddly, the FAA had no problem issuing me an instrument rating, allowing me to fly in zero visibility, but they don't like me flying at night. A commercial rating requires 2 hours of nighttime solo. It seems that the new drone rules are going to require a commercial rating, but that's not for sure either. For now, I'm going to check into schools that offer certifications.
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:36 pm
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Nosedragger: There is a licensed (certified?) drone operator in Blackfoot who actually makes a living doing commercial video work with his drone. He is also a light aircraft/LSA pilot and is fully cognizant of the airspace conflict issues involved. He's been doing it for a while now, got in on the ground floor as it were. I think it would be a good thing to explore as a career option. I agree with the others who have said that love them or hate them, they're not going away anytime soon.
I have had a few pass bys, near mid airs being too strong a term, over the years, and each time I got a glimpse of the PIC and guess what? They were looking elsewhere, it's not like just because an aircraft has a real live human being behind the controls that that means they are eyeballs up front. As much as we may not want to think it, it comes down to the odds, lots of air up there, and just because you see another plane doesn't mean it's at all crowded. I am glad however, that I fly a slow airplane, that improves the odds quite a bit as far as seeing and avoiding. The only time I actually felt like it was an actual REAL close mid air, it was over before I knew it, over the Snake River near Swan Valley BTW. I smelled the burned oil that clapped out Lycoming was making for several minutes in my cockpit, that's close
I have had a few pass bys, near mid airs being too strong a term, over the years, and each time I got a glimpse of the PIC and guess what? They were looking elsewhere, it's not like just because an aircraft has a real live human being behind the controls that that means they are eyeballs up front. As much as we may not want to think it, it comes down to the odds, lots of air up there, and just because you see another plane doesn't mean it's at all crowded. I am glad however, that I fly a slow airplane, that improves the odds quite a bit as far as seeing and avoiding. The only time I actually felt like it was an actual REAL close mid air, it was over before I knew it, over the Snake River near Swan Valley BTW. I smelled the burned oil that clapped out Lycoming was making for several minutes in my cockpit, that's close
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Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:11 pm
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courierguy wrote:Nosedragger: There is a licensed (certified?) drone operator in Blackfoot who actually makes a living doing commercial video work with his drone. He is also a light aircraft/LSA pilot and is fully cognizant of the airspace conflict issues involved. He's been doing it for a while now, got in on the ground floor as it were. I think it would be a good thing to explore as a career option. I agree with the others who have said that love them or hate them, they're not going away anytime soon.
I have had a few pass bys, near mid airs being too strong a term, over the years, and each time I got a glimpse of the PIC and guess what? They were looking elsewhere, it's not like just because an aircraft has a real live human being behind the controls that that means they are eyeballs up front. As much as we may not want to think it, it comes down to the odds, lots of air up there, and just because you see another plane doesn't mean it's at all crowded. I am glad however, that I fly a slow airplane, that improves the odds quite a bit as far as seeing and avoiding. The only time I actually felt like it was an actual REAL close mid air, it was over before I knew it, over the Snake River near Swan Valley BTW. I smelled the burned oil that clapped out Lycoming was making for several minutes in my cockpit, that's close
Thanks CG, I think I know that guy through a flight instructor friend that works with him in Alpine sometimes. I agree with the close calls too. Down where I'll be flying drones, they better be watching for crop dusters, ducks, crows, and those damn battle ship gray cell towers. A plastic toy helicopter would be small potatoes compared to pelicans or a goose.
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Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:25 am
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There are a couple of very experienced 'drone' operators that view/are members on this site, but I highly doubt they will respond due to various reasons. Security is one reason and the other is that they are extremely overworked and have little to no extra time to type replies on these forums. Sorry if I am being blunt but it is the nature of the beast currently. Having said that, there are a lot of oppertunities in the field, and the high paying jobs are of the military/contractor area of this fast growing field of aviation.
Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:29 pm
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WWhunter wrote:There are a couple of very experienced 'drone' operators that view/are members on this site, but I highly doubt they will respond due to various reasons. Security is one reason and the other is that they are extremely overworked and have little to no extra time to type replies on these forums. Sorry if I am being blunt but it is the nature of the beast currently. Having said that, there are a lot of oppertunities in the field, and the high paying jobs are of the military/contractor area of this fast growing field of aviation.
I'm hoping to avoid the overworked thing. Starving isn't attractive either, but I don't want to be a mercenary for the government. Would like to be a freelance type, choosing what I take on.
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