I have installed an Appareo transponder in my 180 under the supervision of my very accommodating A&P. Per our agreement about costs and his time, I am now trying to hack together a log entry for him and am stuck. Even after exhaustive googling, I can't really find a good template for that. If anybody has a good entry that you are wiling to share, could you please PM or text it to me? Thanks! Chris 360-333-1240.

Have you tried the FAA AC 43-13-1B Acceptable Methods etc.

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policie ... ntid/99861

Usually some portion can be referenced as:
Removed this and installed that -
"IAW (In Accordance With) AC-43-13-1B section xyz."

Unfortunately I gave all my books away:

Good luck

Chris C

Thanks for that suggestion.
I am finding this particular entry is a little quirky because it's a "follow on to a master STC". I hadn't really thought about that until I was trying to keep my word and have a rough log entry done for my A&P. I started looking things over yesterday and couldn't come up with any examples or templates, pretty much anywhere.
Chris

Below is a scan of the logbook entry for the installation of the txp (along with a radio) in my airplane.
I've seen logbook entries for similar work which were a lot skimpier ("removed brand x transponder and encoder, and installed narco transponder and encoder")
and some that were even more wordy ( ".... wired I/a/w 43.13B blah blah blah").
"Revised W&B data and equipment list" is pretty standard.

Now for the 64 dollar question--
can you simply enter the transponder installation in the airframe logbook, or does it need a 337?
I've seen it done (and heard it argued) both ways.
I installed a new radio in my old C150TD about 8 years ago, and the IA I was working with on it said yes, a 337 was required.
Furthermore, he checked with his PMI, who told him that if the radio was TSO'd the IA could just sign the 337 off,
just like for an STC'd mod, but a non-TSO'd radio would require a field approval.
The radio I wanted was an Icom A200, and interestingly they had both TSO'd and non-TSO'd versions available.
The TSO'd one was an extra hundred bucks so that's the way I went, just to streamline the process.

Thanks Hotrod. Off to Cannon tomorrow for the transponder check, do the "rule airspace" flight and then bring on 2020.
We did file a 337. There is a lot of controversy about whether a transponder is minor or major and the 337 route seems like the best way to go. Besides A&P Sansei said so.
Chris

I should have mine back from the shop in a couple of days, with newly-installed Stratus ESG and all the paperwork. I can post the log entry then, if you'd like.

Please share how you guys like the ESG unit. That's the one I'm probably going with. Who did your A&P order through? If I remember right, only dealers can get them. I've got to figure out who I can buy one through so my A&P can help install it. How was the install on it?

The primary drivers for my choice of the Appareo transponder were ForeFlight and it's Stratus interface and price. I am, so far, completely happy with the unit.
It is dealer only sale and installation, per the manufacturer. I had gotten to know a dealer and he was aware that I did all of my own work under the supervision of my A&P and, for whatever reasons, agreed to sell me a unit. Our agreement was that I would bring it to him, in another state, for blessing, check and log entry. That was nine months ago. Unfortunately, between weather, my work schedule and his shop schedule, it just proved too difficult to make that happen and I finally gave up. I feel bad about that but I've been avoiding all controlled airspace and just needed to get it done. We now have a log entry, a 337 and a transponder cert and all that's left is the proving flight.
I definitely give Stratus a thumbs up but would assume that you will have to take it to a dealer.
Chris

Thanks for the info. I've got a line on a work around similar to yours. Basically my avionics guy getting it from a dealer so he can install it. Hopefully it pans out.


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Got mine done by an avionics shop / official dealer. All up cost was just over $5K. They did a great job, and I like the unit a lot so far. Very easy to use. While they were in the panel, they fixed my aux power port so I can recharge my iPad Mini 4 (ForeFlight) in flight. I also had them attach the mounting bracket for the Stratus 2 to the glare shield, and run the ESG's pass-through antenna/power cables through a grommet in the glare shield so they come out right behind / beside the Stratus. The grommet is tight enough that the wires don't move much, and it will prevent the connectors from falling through the glare shield. This setup means my Stratus gets power, ADS-B antenna, and GPS signals all from the ESG, and I can set it to power ON when I turn on the avionics switch. That set of cables was well under $200, and is a really slick solution. (And with different cables, you can use it with other Aviation GPS/ADS-B IN units, not just the Stratus.)

Funny story on the AUX port... There was a 20A inline fuse (yes, you read that right - 20 amps), and it was piggy-backed off the Turn & Bank circuit. Turns out the T&B fuse (10A) was bad. Funny how I noticed the AUX port not working, but never seemed to notice the T&B was not working. I guess the only time I looked at the T&B was to check the "ball"...

Anyway, it's all ready to go. Now if the weather would just cooperate a bit, I'll go fly my ADS-B Validation flight, and file for my rebate... We've been having 20G30 knot winds and 45+ knot winds at 3000 feet for the last few days. As a new tailwheel pilot (35 hours TW time), that wind is beyond my personal limits, even if it is almost aligned with the runway. (Not to mention that the bouncy ride would not be a whole lot of fun...)

Thanks for the info. If you get a chance, could you take a pic of your setup?


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FWIW, we mounted the Stratus module vertically in the glovebox. It works great that way and is nice and clean. As I understand it, the only requirement by Appereo is that the long axis of the module be aligned with the axis of the aircraft. My install does work great in that configuration and is nicely out of the way. The one caveat is that, unless you have a really good memory, you should set the Stratus to automatically turn on when powered up and turn off with the power off. Otherwise it's out of site and out of mind and it takes a long time to recharge from zero after being left on. This, I also know from my install.

I was going to ask if anyone had mounted their stratus boxes "semi-permanently" under the panel or anything. That's how I would do it if I was doing this install. Still on the fence as to which ads-b install I'll go with myself, but the appereo has high marks from me from a paper review and is in the running.

That's a good point. Getting it off the dash would be nice. I've got it set up with auto-power on/off now and it is nice to not have to think about it.


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Sorry for the thread diversion but I have a specific question about your aux power in your 7ECA. Namely, how do I legally add an aux power outlet to my plane?

I've played with my android phone and tablet with both the Garmin and iFly apps. They work well for dodging airspace and getting a vector but these apps suck my devices down to zero in a two hour flight.

Also, thanks to those of you publishing your install costs. As a new plane owner I didn't realize that installation would nearly double the price tag

JP256 wrote:Got mine done by an avionics shop / official dealer. All up cost was just over $5K. They did a great job, and I like the unit a lot so far. Very easy to use. While they were in the panel, they fixed my aux power port so I can recharge my iPad Mini 4 (ForeFlight) in flight. I also had them attach the mounting bracket for the Stratus 2 to the glare shield, and run the ESG's pass-through antenna/power cables through a grommet in the glare shield so they come out right behind / beside the Stratus. The grommet is tight enough that the wires don't move much, and it will prevent the connectors from falling through the glare shield. This setup means my Stratus gets power, ADS-B antenna, and GPS signals all from the ESG, and I can set it to power ON when I turn on the avionics switch. That set of cables was well under $200, and is a really slick solution. (And with different cables, you can use it with other Aviation GPS/ADS-B IN units, not just the Stratus.)

Funny story on the AUX port... There was a 20A inline fuse (yes, you read that right - 20 amps), and it was piggy-backed off the Turn & Bank circuit. Turns out the T&B fuse (10A) was bad. Funny how I noticed the AUX port not working, but never seemed to notice the T&B was not working. I guess the only time I looked at the T&B was to check the "ball"...

Anyway, it's all ready to go. Now if the weather would just cooperate a bit, I'll go fly my ADS-B Validation flight, and file for my rebate... We've been having 20G30 knot winds and 45+ knot winds at 3000 feet for the last few days. As a new tailwheel pilot (35 hours TW time), that wind is beyond my personal limits, even if it is almost aligned with the runway. (Not to mention that the bouncy ride would not be a whole lot of fun...)

Question for you guys with the appereo adsb out; is there a way to turn off the adsb function when not required? I would prefer not to broadcast all of my vitals to the world in the event that I might inadvertently make a low pass somewhere or some other indiscretion. I suppose you could just turn the whole thing off but it would be nice to only disable the adsb function.

Thanks.

theamherst wrote:Question for you guys with the appereo adsb out; is there a way to turn off the adsb function when not required? I would prefer not to broadcast all of my vitals to the world in the event that I might inadvertently make a low pass somewhere or some other indiscretion. I suppose you could just turn the whole thing off but it would be nice to only disable the adsb function.

Thanks.

No "legal" way to do so. A good friend who is a CFII (and the safety officer for a type club I belong to) seems to have a hobby of researching this kind of question and getting answers directly from the FAA. Apparently, there is an FAR that states that if you have a transponder, it is to be turned on at all times. And since all of the 1090ES ADS-B devices are ON and active whenever the transponder is turned on, it would not be "legal" to turn off the transponder in flight.

But if a person were planning to do something "illegal" anyway, I doubt that an FAR mandating "always on" would prevent them from turning off their transponder. I would think that having to turn off the transponder before you do something would be the first "link" in that accident chain that we hear so much about. In other words, if you think you need to hide what you're doing from the FAA, maybe it's not such a great idea to be doing it?

aftCG wrote:Sorry for the thread diversion but I have a specific question about your aux power in your 7ECA. Namely, how do I legally add an aux power outlet to my plane?

Well, in my case, the aux port was already there, either from the factory, or someone installed it at some point along the way.

But since the 7ECA was certified under CAR4, I don't believe you need a TSO for the AUX port. If your mechanic agrees with that, non-TSO'ed receptacles from Aircraft Spruce are under $10...

If your mechanic does NOT agree, TSO'ed AUX ports are available (Aircraft Spruce has one for $90). You might even be able to get one via "parts order" from Champion Aircraft Corp (current builder of the 7ECA), since I'm pretty sure the AUX power port is either standard, or is an optional accessory item on their new planes.

flyingzebra wrote:FWIW, we mounted the Stratus module vertically in the glovebox. It works great that way and is nice and clean. As I understand it, the only requirement by Appereo is that the long axis of the module be aligned with the axis of the aircraft. My install does work great in that configuration and is nicely out of the way. The one caveat is that, unless you have a really good memory, you should set the Stratus to automatically turn on when powered up and turn off with the power off. Otherwise it's out of site and out of mind and it takes a long time to recharge from zero after being left on. This, I also know from my install.

No glove box on my airplane, else I would have done the same - especially with the "pass-through" of the antennas.

This afternoon, I completed the "Validation Test Flight" for my ADS-B rebate. Flew just over 45 minutes inside the Mode C veil of the DFW Class Bravo airspace (under the "ledge"). Flew east/west directly over an uncontrolled airport (well above the traffic pattern), then flew north/south over the same airport. That satisfied the requirement to do the N/S and E/W tracks over a "known point". Then I flew a right 360º turn, followed by a left 360º turn, both at 30º of bank, then repeated the pair of 360s. That satisfied the requirement to make two 360s to the right and two 360s to the left. Finally, as I returned to my home airport, I did some slow flight while climbing to 500' below the floor of the Class Bravo airspace, then accelerated to my top cruise airspeed as I descended back down to pattern altitude. That satisfied the "climb and descend at varying airspeeds and altitudes" portion.

After landing and puttering around the hangar for a few minutes, I grabbed a cold soda while I filed the request for the ADS-B Performance Report and GAIRS (GA Incentive Requirement Status) document. Within 15 minutes (30 minutes after the flight), I had both in hand. It passed with all green across the board, including the infamous "ground mode errors" that catch some people out. (That's if you taxi too fast, or before the GPS "synch" occurs.) Within a few minutes after that, I filed the request for my rebate, citing the reservation number and the "Incentive Code" included in the GAIRS document. Within an hour of landing, I had an email stating that my check would be sent just as soon as someone verified the submitted information. (But it was Memorial day, so no one is at work at the FAA offices.) Should have my check within a week. Easy peasy.

PS - for the guy who requested a picture of my setup, I'll have a picture in a couple of days. I didn't see the request until late this evening... I'll snap a photo next time I'm out at the airport.