Last night I was reading a post about backcountry manners(easier to spell) and I can't remember (CRS is alive and well) the thread but I thought it was on this website. If anyone remembers this would you point me in the right direction. Thanks Gary

Must not be any topics about backcountry manners posted here. I did a search, couldn't find anything about it, and nobody else is jumpin' in here, so...

Might not be a bad idea to review this subject in light of the upcoming fly-ins in Idaho.

I'll start off with the obvious one about staying on the right side of the canyon.

Who's next?...

I can't stand noisy people. Won't be a problem likely in most of the Idaho strips, but on an ultralight fly-in a few years back, some people came in their RV and ran their stupid generator all night so they could watch TV. We snuck over and turned the petcock to OFF when they weren't looking.

I think you just need to respect that reason that people are out at these places in the first place; They are remote and peaceful. We all love the sound of an airplane, but anything else breaks the spell.

About canyon flying... Are there any rules of thumb for altitude separation on the in and out? Hug the right side of the canyon, but what about vertical? Is it just survival?

Thanks for the responses. I was pretty sure that it was in a tread here but I guess it may have been on the 180 site or UBC. Some of the things that I remember were not to go to strips and just do touch and go's. If you land and others are there, stop and visit a little. If no one is their then I would think it's fine to stop and go. Another was don't power your plane into a parking spot with others around. Shut it off and pull it into place, get help if necessary, good time to give a guy a beer. If I come across the site again I will let you know and if I think of any other courtesies I will post them. Thanks again Gary

Don't build big sparking bon fires upwind of fabric covered aircraft.

Don't taxi turn so your prop wash is going to be beating on someones camp, spin it around in the other direction.

Don't allow your freaging dogs to run loose in others camping area (dog shit stinks a long time in mountain air).

Don't ask someone to sit in their aircraft when your drunk.

Don't take firewood that you didn't gather.

Don't forget to have your lady bite down on the pillow before having sex.

zane wrote:About canyon flying... Are there any rules of thumb for altitude separation on the in and out? Hug the right side of the canyon, but what about vertical? Is it just survival?

We try to fly even or odd + 500 depending on direction, regular VFR rules. That way, in or out is usually seperated by 1000', and opposite sides of the canyon. Of course if my "right" side of the canyon is full of rough down air, I'm probably going to be on the other side... Like today, rough enough that most rules go by the way side - of course, days when it's this rough, there's a lot less people out there flying aound.

Good thread.

Monitor 122.9, but if you're gonna chat with your buddy about which STOL mods you're gonna put on the cub/maule/185, pick a different freq. Some days in the middle of the summer, I've just gotta turn the radio off, not safe, but keeps me sane.

John

I'd like to add that getting up at the crack of dawn and waking everyone on the field up with your departing airplane is not considered poor form, and is for the most part considered to be good common sense in the backcountry (unless you're flyin' a 185 with an 88" seaplane prop).

Personally, I can't think of a better sounding alarm clock.

Low and Slow, Is that picture in your avatar at a ranch on the South Fork---maybe the Davis place? I have a similar pic taken in 1987 when I rode with Mike Dorris delivering the mail in his 185.
Marty

Marty -

I believe it's the South Fork Ranch, on the South Fork. That's Mikes plane, I was just bumming a ride that day, he was flying. Glad he was too, the weather was horrible, he's probably the only person I would have trusted to make it back to McCall. That's the 185 you rode in, he repainted it last year, it looks really sharp.

Good eye!

John

Steve Durtschi (UBCP Prez) wrote a little article a couple years ago on back country etiquette. Scroll to page 2:

http://www.utahbackcountrypilots.org/ne ... nuID=15~15

M

Hey punkin That's the one I was looking for. Thanks Gary

The RV with the generator story reminds me of my dad. We were at a dear camp one night all bunked up when a jerk showed up in an RV. They got all drunked up playing poker with the generator going. After about an hour of that, dad got up and pulled the coil wire and brought it to our trailer. The best part was hearing the drunks all taking turns at pulling on the starter rope and cussing.

The generator was not a factor for the rest of that trip.

As a matter of courtesy ANYWHERE, when parking your airplane, simply taxi it up perpendicular to your parking spot, shut it down, get out, push the tail around, and PUSH it back into its spot.

I don't know how many times I had dirt, gravel, etc blasted all over my plane, open hangar door, camp site, tent, etc, by some jerk who is too lazy to get out and push the plane around by hand.

There, now I feel better.

Oh, yeah--if you're taking a dump in the woods, take it OUT in the woods, not right next to camp sites. Duh!

MTV

Dogs and kids on a leash......
JH

mtv wrote:Oh, yeah--if you're taking a dump in the woods, take it OUT in the woods, not right next to camp sites. Duh!
MTV

and dig a cathole with a shovel, stick, knife etc to crap in so you can bury everything including the toilet paper when your done.

Nothing nastier than hiking in the woods and finding a swarm of shit flies everywhere with toilet paper and stinking crap laying around.

Found a guy who did this once and led him back by the scruff of the neck and made him clean up his mess.

Also, don't be crapping anywhere close to a water supply. There are federal regulations pertaining to this also. Think it's a minimum of 75 feet from any water.

If we can only get the birds, deer, bears, fish, snakes and whatever to quit crapping near a water hole.

Tim

qmdv wrote:If we can only get the birds, deer, bears, fish, snakes and whatever to quit crapping near a water hole.
Tim

Funny thing is when there were just birds, deer, bears, fish and snakes crapping near the water, it was still pure and drinkable. When man started hiking in and crapping everywhere the water went from drinkable to poison.

Ahhh, how refreshing to drink of nature's scat! Wench, fetch me another stein of fecal coliform!

Remember the old Olympia Beer adds??? "It's the water.... and a whole LOT more!!"
JH