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Bad multi-fatal floatplane mid-air in ID.

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Re: Bad multi-fatal floatplane mid-air in ID.

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Re: Bad multi-fatal floatplane mid-air in ID.

NTSB prelim is out.

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Repor ... m&IType=FA

Initially appears to be a head-on.

This report corrects earlier news reports that the 206 departed Spokane.

I’ve been under the impression that the 206 was on floats but now see no mention of that and can’t tell from any photos.

The following two statements were posted in the comments in Kathryn’s Report. Not verified:

AnonymousSaturday, July 25, 2020 at 12:36:00 AM EDT

I rode in the right seat of this Beaver as a paying passenger on June 29, 2019. The pilot that day was not the pilot flying during the collision a year later. Background: I am a private pilot with 304 hours in the left seat. I have flown as a passenger in 20 or so aircraft types including airliners, WWII bombers, and others. There were a total of 4 people aboard my flight on N2106K. After a short taxi and warm-up (kind of a rolling run up to safe takeoff point on the lake), takeoff was uneventful. I did comment to the pilot over headset shortly after takeoff, that it was my first time ever completing a takeoff with no radio calls out. In fact, the radio and transponder were not powered on during any portion of the approx 40 min taxi,flight,return. CTAF could not monitored to listen for radio calls by other oircraft. Given the nature of a sightseeing flight, the pilot spent most of his time pointing out landmarks and animals on the ground through the aircraft side windows. Landing was smooth and uneventful. Docking was done solo by the pilot. After a few post-flight photos, I asked the pilot if there was a plan to add ADS-B capability to the airplane. His response was “We have better things to spend money on.” I called the FAA office in Spokane the day after the accident, and left a voice message. When the FAA rep called me back the following day, I told him basically what I wrote above. END

AnonymousMonday, August 3, 2020 at 7:09:00 AM EDT

And the Cessna was not equipped to transmit or receive ADS-B, so even if the Beaver had been equipped with ADSB in/out on both frequencies used, the Cessna wouldn’t have been detectable using ADS-B.

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Re: Bad multi-fatal floatplane mid-air in ID.

I worked in that area the last couple years and can’t remember ever hearing the beaver (or their 206) making calls. They also seldom were up above 500ish ft though so usually weren’t a factor for most traffic.

That lake gets really busy, especially so July 4th weekend. Eyes outside and position reports are critical. While it doesn’t seem to be a factor here, it seems like a lot of people have grown overly reliant on adsb and seldom look more than 10 degrees right or left of center.

Sad deal all around.

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Yes, sad. 200' worked well for both Ag and pipeline work, but still had to watch out for other Ag and pipeline aircraft. Pipeline was actually scarier. The reason was the high wing which prevented seeing where I was going in all turns. Head on shouldn't have been a problem. One or both turning would be a problem with high wing.
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Re: Bad multi-fatal floatplane mid-air in ID.

Why are people not on the radio???

I was idling on the runway at the up river end of Indian creek last Sunday ready to take off. There was a 206 and another airplane approaching from up river, calling their location and intent. After they landed, I was getting ready to roll when I looked up one last time and saw an islander on left downwind. The islander never made any radio calls that I heard. I’d been sitting there ready to take off for several minutes waiting for landing traffic. Every other plane was on the radio.
I almost said something snide on the radio, but let it go. I expected better from a commercial guy on his 2nd trip in for the day.

Could have been ugly had I not seen him.
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Re: Bad multi-fatal floatplane mid-air in ID.

CamTom12 wrote:Saw this on the amazon page:
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Please Note; Safer Skies is a Re-Issue of Why Planes Crash in Paperback with a brief update. If you have already purchased and read Why Planes Crash, THANK YOU. I don't want anyone waste their money buying the same book twice.


Bought it and read it after seeing it mentioned on this thread. Good read.
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Re: Bad multi-fatal floatplane mid-air in ID.

"I worked in that area the last couple years and can’t remember ever hearing the beaver (or their 206) making calls."

Ian's statement would seem to corroborate the comment posted above about the commercial tour operator regularly not using radios and possibly not using a transponder. If so, that will likely make it into the first sentence of the probable cause report when it is finally released.

While many of us enjoy flying in appropriate situations without the distraction of radio chatter, I think we mostly know when and where to be monitoring, and to be making position announcements. This seems like one of those places, especially for a commercial operator with several paying guests on board each flight. I conduct a few sightseeing flights around busy Lake Tahoe as a fundraiser for charities, so while not commercial, very similar in that I point out features and landmarks to the guests, all while monitoring and reporting on KTVL CTAF. It's not hard to smoothly blend the two comms and the pax seem to like the pilot to pilot comms.

I splashed in to Coeur D'Alene just once a few years ago while delivering a small amphib I had sold, from Seattle to Chicago. Beautiful area, and a fairly built-up north shore. Between the nearby airport, and the seaplane base, plenty of reason to have your ears on.

Glancing at the sectional chart, I count ten public and private landing facilities on or around this lake.

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Re: Bad multi-fatal floatplane mid-air in ID.

Looking at the witness photo just prior to the impact. Wig Wags would have probably done the most good here to catch one of their eyes. I an the guy that has put off spending a few buck on the controller. After last weeks mid air up here I bought one and its waiting on me to install it as soon as I get back home. One thing I know is that the wig wags catch your eye a LONG way out. I always flying with both wings lit up with the landing and taxi lights, but the flashing certainly draws much more attention.
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