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Bay area presidential TFR's

Huge circle encompassing the entire Bay area active for the next few days. Be sure to check Notams if your flying anywhere within 50NM of San Fran. I can't even fly my Remote Controls. Nothing like spending millions of dollars of tax payers money to raise a couple hundred thousand for re-election.
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Re: Bay area presidential TFR's

Yeah, got an e-mail from AOPA this morning dealing with the basics of the TFR's. Sounds pretty touchy for any flight ops down that way for a couple of days.

I was wondering, what do the Airlines do? Obviously you have SFO and Oakland, how do they conduct business? What restrictions do hey have?
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Now I know why (or believe) I saw some C-17's come into Los Alamitos the last couple of days. Sometimes they fly the back up Air Force One into Los Alamitos, too. But I didn't see that come in.

The one nice thing about our shop is that it's right under the flight path for Los Alamitos Air Station. Of the 20 years I've been at Yamaha, I've seen Air Force only once. Used to see a ton of C5's come in. But hadn't seen them for a long time :cry: . Those are pretty amazing seeing them come in over your head.

Here's a C17 coming into Los Alamitos. I'm guessing it my be carrying the Presidential Limo or other motorcade vehicles. There were a couple of C17's come in on Tuesday.
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I think the only way thru a TFR is while AF1 is on the ground is with an IFR flight plan.
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Re: Bay area presidential TFR's

Here's the TEXT version of it all:

Operating Restrictions and Requirements Top
No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).

Except as specified below and/or unless authorized by ATC in consultation with the air traffic security coordinator via the domestic events network (DEN):

A. All aircraft operations within the 10 NMR area(s) listed above, known as the inner core(s), are prohibited except for: Approved law enforcement, military aircraft directly supporting the United States Secret Service (USSS) and the office of the President of the United States, approved air ambulance flights, and regularly scheduled commercial passenger and all-cargo carriers operating under one of the following TSA-Approved standard security programs/procedures: aircraft operator standard security program (AOSSP), full all-cargo aircraft operator standard security program (FACAOSSP), model security program (MSP), twelve five standard security program (TFSSP) all cargo, or all-cargo international security procedure (ACISP) and are arriving into and/or departing from 14 cfr part 139 airports. All emergency/life saving flight (medical/law enforcement/firefighting) operations must coordinate with ATC prior to their departure at 206-214-4658 to avoid potential delays.

B. For operations within the airspace between the 10 nmr and 30 nmr area(s) listed above, known as the outer ring(s): All aircraft operating within the outer ring(s) listed above are limited to aircraft arriving or departing local airfields, and workload permitting, ATC may authorize transit operations. Aircraft may not loiter. All aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete code assigned by an air traffic control (ATC) facility. Aircraft must be squawking the discrete code prior to departure and at all times while in the TFR and must remain in two-way radio communications with ATC.

C. The following operations are not authorized within this TFR: flight training, practice instrument approaches, aerobatic flight, glider operations, seaplane operations, parachute operations, ultralight, hang gliding, balloon operations, agriculture/crop dusting, animal population control flight operations, banner towing operations, sightseeing operations, maintenance test flights, model aircraft operations, model rocketry, unmanned aircraft systems (UAS), and utility and pipeline survey operations.

D. FAA recommends that all aircraft operators check notams frequently for possible changes to this TFR prior to operations within this region.

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_2_9435.html
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Re: Bay area presidential TFR's

We all know its the balloon guys that are the dangerous ones. There's been lots of sneak attacks on world leaders done by the lighter than air category since those Frenchies invented them in 1783. I for one am glad to see them included on that list. Makes me feel safer knowing our government is looking out for us.
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LordAaron wrote:Yeah, got an e-mail from AOPA this morning dealing with the basics of the TFR's. Sounds pretty touchy for any flight ops down that way for a couple of days.

I was wondering, what do the Airlines do? Obviously you have SFO and Oakland, how do they conduct business? What restrictions do hey have?



The airlines....

...operate normally with perhaps a vector or two if Air Force 1 is close by. Short arrival or departure delays when AF1 is landing or taking off. Maybe 15 years ago en route Orlando to St. Louis, ATC notified us of traffic at 1o'clock and 1,000 feet below to pass beneith us from right to left. Moments later Air Force 1 swept majesticlly beneith our nose. Felt like I could reach out and touch her.

Air Force 1 gets absolute priority and does as she pleases. Back when Reagan was President I listed to Air Force 1 on the same approach control freq. as us going into St. Louis.

ATC. Air Force 1 we will turn you about a 15 mile final for Rwy 30L so the President can get a good view of the arch.

AF1. Negative sir....you will turn us precisely on a five mile final!

ATC. Roger Sir.

ATC. Air Force 1.... they are not done sweeping the runway yet. Your touchdown will have to be delayed by 5 minutes.

AF1. Negative sir. Air Force 1 will touch down at precisely 10:41 !!

ATC. Roger sir.

Obviouly the controller had never handled AF1 before..

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I flew out of LAX this morning and got a short glimpse of AF 1 as we climb out to the west. It was parked on the very west end of the airport.
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Marijuana-Filled Cessna Intercepted After Flying Too Close to Air Force One

http://nycaviation.com/2012/02/marijuana-filled-cessna-intercepted-after-flying-too-close-to-air-force-one/

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Could this be the first time a TFR actually caught someone actually doing something they shouldn't? (other than busting a TFR of course)
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Ya know.... When I lived in Hawthorne (NV) I almost got snagged twice by TFR's I didn't even think to check for. Flying to work at 0430 one morning, and the other, a spur of the moment let's go chase coyotes flight. On the 0430 flight the only thing that saved me is it wasn't active until 0800. I was in the air and right in the middle of the ring when the 396 started screaming. On the second incident , the Garmin 396/XM WX popped up with the warning right as I was taxiing out.

F**king adrenaline rush/heart in throat "Oh Shit" moments both times. Those f**kers have no sense of humor at all...

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