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'Bear Spray' efficacy study

I wasn't sure where to put this-but it can have 'Live to Tell' implications. First the 'conclusion':
Our research shows that bear deterrent spray is an effective
tool for defusing bear–human conflict in a nonlethal
manner. In Alaska, bear spray was highly effective in
dealing with all 3 species of North American bears, although
more data on polar bear responses is needed. Persons
working and recreating in bear habitat should feel confident
that they are safe if carrying bear spray. Although bear spray
was 92% effective by our definition of success, it is
important to note that 98% of persons carrying it were
uninjured after a close encounter with bears.
In portions of North America where bears are in decline
managers may reduce the number of bears killed in defense of-
life by arming employees with bear deterrent sprays in
addition to firearms. No bear spray has ever been reported to
kill a bear. It is our belief that widespread use of bear spray
will promote human safety and bear conservation.


.....And then the link:

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/sites/def ... 0Spray.pdf

There is a LOT more there than just the 'conclusion' for those interested.

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Bear attack victim dies by 'rescuers' bullet......

By MATTHEW BROWN

Associated Press
BILLINGS, Mont. —

A hunter attacked by a wounded grizzly in a Montana forest was killed not by the bear, but by a gunshot fired by a companion trying to save him, authorities said Friday.

Lincoln County Sheriff Roby Bowe said an autopsy determined 39-year-old Steve Stevenson of Winnemucca, Nev., died of a single gunshot to the chest. The cause of death was determined by a medical examiner with the Montana State Crime Lab.

The shot was fired by 20-year-old Ty Bell, also of Winnemucca, as he attempted to stop the bear's attack. No charges are expected, Bowe said.

The autopsy found bite marks on Stevenson's leg caused by the bear.

"We're fairly convinced it was obviously an accident," Bowe said. "But the county attorney will review the final report once we're done."

Bell and Stevenson were on a black bear hunting trip with two other people in a thickly-forested region along the Montana-Idaho border when the attack occurred Sept. 16.

The foursome had split into two-member teams, and early in the day Bell shot and wounded what he thought was a black bear, which are considered less aggressive than grizzly bears.

Bell and Stevenson waited about 15 minutes until they thought the bear had died, then tracked the 400-pound grizzly into thick cover, according to Stevenson's mother, Janet Price.

When the bear turned on the men, Stevenson yelled at the animal to distract it and keep it from attacking Bell, Price told The Associated Press last week. When the animal instead went after Stevenson, Bell fired multiple shots trying to kill the animal, Bowe said.

It was unclear how many times the bear was hit, or whether the bullet that killed Stevenson had first hit the bear. Bowe said that possibility was under investigation.

The bear also died.

It is illegal to kill grizzly bears in the lower 48 states, where the animals are protected under the Endangered Species Act, and the case is also under investigation by federal wildlife agents.

Grizzlies were largely exterminated across the lower 48 last century, but their population has rebounded dramatically in recent decades.

The grizzly shot by Bell was one of about 45 of the animals that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service estimates live in the Cabinet-Yaak Ecosystem Area in northwest Montana and northern Idaho.

Ron Aasheim with the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks said the case underscored the potential danger hunters face when pursuing wounded animals.

"Anytime you follow a wounded animal, but particularly a predator like a bear, you have to be very careful," he said.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/n ... izzly.html

'Bear Spray' is looking pretty good at this point........ :)
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Looks like you need to be careful to know that your friend knows how to aim a gun under pressure.
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Re: 'Bear Spray' efficacy study

This is a topic like religion where some folks will never be convinced. I have personal experience of seeing a bear dissuaded by spray instantly - more than once. How many large game animals react instantly to a bullet no matter what its caliber and weight?

As in many things in life the answer may well be "both."
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I have a friend who shot a bear with his bow only to have the bear inadvertently use his location as an escape route. He blasted the bear with pepper spray as it leaped over him and the pucker bush he was hiding behind. After immediately disabling a 30mph wounded bear, he says he'll now carry the spray instead of a pistol as a deterent during bow season. He also now wears a pull-up while bear hunting with a bow.
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I have seen it used several times at close quarters on non aggressive bears and the results are UNDERwhelming.

The liquid and vapor hitting them in the face and the noise from the spray can startle the bears but the spray itself had little effect.

If you want to carry it 'cause it makes you feel good, OK but I would never trust my life or that of my family to it.

I have personally had far better results by yelling loudly and throwing rocks at them!!!

PS as that is a govt. report,take it with a grain of salt. [-X Or do you believe everything the govt. tells you????? :twisted:
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Just a note to you Bear spray enthusist's,
Keep that shit outa the cockpit, It can kill you, and if if it goes off it will.
Tape it to a strut or the tail wheel spring!! It has killed in the air!!
There Just is not any way to see with your eyes and sinus's full of that sgit, IT WORKS!!
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Re: 'Bear Spray' efficacy study

The Forest Service has issued a BEAR WARNING in the national forests for this summer. They're urging everyone to protect themselves by wearing bells and carrying pepper spray.

Campers should be alert for signs of fresh bear activity, and they should be able to tell the difference between Black Bear dung and Grizzy Bear dung.

Black Bear dung is rather small and round. Sometimes you can see fruit seeds and/or squirrel fur in it.

Grizzly Bear dung has bells in it, and smells like pepper spray!
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Re: 'Bear Spray' efficacy study

Thanks for the article link, littlecub, it's nice to see some bear spray info that's not from a manufacturer trying to sell me on their product.

After a dozen close encounters with black bear and a couple of grizzlies I thought standing my ground and yelling was working pretty well. Then a couple years ago in the Olympics I had to whack a black bear upside the head with a stick to drive it off. It wasn't even a very good stick, but it was the best I could do after running out of rocks.

So next time I get up to bear country I'll pick up a can, and if I ever get to Alaska I'd add a few ounces of lead. Lead is about the only thing that works down here in the swamp, the hogs are too mean to care about a little spray, and the gators would probably think it was seasoning.
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It seems the spray worked pretty good for this Idaho hunter:http://www.journalnet.com/news/online/article_1e76790c-e744-11e0-9463-001cc4c002e0.html

The one time I had a close encounter with a black bear, I was sitting under the plane in camp and had been for an hour. I looked up and there it was about 40 to 50' away, on all fours, looking right at me while it continued towards me. In some kind of a throwback caveman instantaneous reaction I jumped up and waved, my arms and yelled as loud as I could while I ran directly at it. It turned and jumped about 10' straight up into a tree, and then I started wondering what my next move was going to be if the charge hadn't worked #-o
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Re: 'Bear Spray' efficacy study

I have never had to use either bear spray or lead as a bear deterrent. Yelling or backing away has always worked for me so far. Let's face it, if you have a bear charging you, it is a bad situation no matter what you are packing. When I go hiking, I would rather have a gun, but for those who want a non-lethal alternative, I guess pepper spray works better than nothing.
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Re: 'Bear Spray' efficacy study

I am not an advocate of 'Bear Spray'. I just threw it out here for information/discussion/learning/experiences.
I am wondering, might there be a difference between manufacturers/brands/whatever? Could 'Cheap stuff' be hurting the reputation of the quality spray? Another factor-it sounds efficacy goes down at 3-4 years, could that be part of the issue? Also, hitting the bear in the face could be an issue. Bad experiences (limited/no effect) might be distance related, or bad 'shooting' under stress......?

I got NO axe to grind and I am big into firearms. It is always nice to have another good 'tool' in the 'kit', so it is good to have the folks with real/first person experience speak up to spread their knowledge.

Thanks for sharing,
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Re: 'Bear Spray' efficacy study

I accidentally set the shit off in my driveway. It took several of us down pretty quick and my friends were very impressed with my can-handling skill! :D This stuff will also incapacitate the user making them easy prey.

It is a tool, just like firearms. One may be better in certain situations. If I only carry one, it is a firearm. I'll take both along sometimes, but would not want to rely entirely on spray.
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Only issue I can see with using the spray while hunting is that I always try to keep the wind in my face and I can visualize what would happen if I were to trigger off a blast of spray..against the wind. Probably wouldn't be a very good outcome...for me! I'd probably be rolling around on the ground trying to get the $hit out of my eyes while the bear is thinking, damn...easy meal! :shock:
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blackrock wrote:I accidentally set the shit off in my driveway. It took several of us down pretty quick and my friends were very impressed with my can-handling skill! :D This stuff will also incapacitate the user making them easy prey.

It is a tool, just like firearms. One may be better in certain situations. If I only carry one, it is a firearm. I'll take both along sometimes, but would not want to rely entirely on spray.


Is this stuff like mace or a pepper spray?
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'Bear Spray' efficacy study

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blackrock wrote:I accidentally set the shit off in my driveway. It took several of us down pretty quick and my friends were very impressed with my can-handling skill! :D This stuff will also incapacitate the user making them easy prey.

It is a tool, just like firearms. One may be better in certain situations. If I only carry one, it is a firearm. I'll take both along sometimes, but would not want to rely entirely on spray.


Is this stuff like mace or a pepper spray?


It is oleo capsicum spray. Different manufacturers have different concentrations.

Yes the user or his companions could end up getting a whiff too. As the incident in Montana shows us, that risk is not limited to bear spray.
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oleo capsicum? How bout just using a taiser on them like cops do :D
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Glidergeek wrote:oleo capsicum? How bout just using a taiser on them like cops do :D


Thinking about getting some bear spray for them California Smokey Bears? :D :D
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58Skylane wrote:
Glidergeek wrote:oleo capsicum? How bout just using a taiser on them like cops do :D


Thinking about getting some bear spray for them California Smokey Bears? :D :D


Fullerton PD. and after you taise them pistol wipe em =D>
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Dropped off a "Food Stamp Pioneer" to hike around the Mts for a month and get back to nature. After dropping him off on a lake, I took off and made a low pass on him on the way out. To my surprised he was laying on the ground looking like he was having some kind of epileptic seizure . I came back and landed and asked him what had happened. Turned out he had sprayed himself with the Bear spray thinking it was like bug spray.... :roll:
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