I was gonna post this on my other thread since it's loosely related but I think it will generate an interesting conversation all it's own. SO here goes....Stopped by my hangar on the way home a little while ago and a friend in a neighboring hangar came over and told me he had been flying earlier in the back country... He landed his citabria at agua caliente airstrip,, a nice little strip near borego springs,, then flew to Jacumba and landed there... on the ground at Jacumba a border patrol truck drove up and asked him what he was doing... he said practicing landings and just flying around...B P said "they've been tracking you",,, Mike said,,WHo.... B P just smiled and asked "where did you go",... Mike said Caliente and here,,, you saw me land here I take it".... BP said yeah that's what they said, did you call it in? " .... Mike said "call what in and Who is They"... B P smiled and just said "big Brother".... and let Mike go...I guess he thought we are supposed to call somebody to tell them we are gonna fly... I usually call my wife to let her know....

B P guy Having sum fun ?

B.P. ers are likely to feel like rats in a cat house with this summers Nevada based fly-ins.

I've had Border Patrol looking for me in the past but they weren't sent by so called "big Brother"....

We all will give up some freedom for safety. I will give up my right to drive at 100+ miles per hour for safety or fly 100 feet above an elementary school. Everybody draws a different line. We are more likely to give up somebody elses freedom for our safety. I think that happened to Germany a while back.

I do not mind going through security at an airport so that I have a reasonable assurance that a half a dozen folks that hate our way of life will not take over a plane with box cutters. But if we give up enough freedoms we will not have an "our way of life"

Tim.

iceman wrote:I've had Border Patrol looking for me in the past but they weren't sent by so called "big Brother"....

Big Brother is a character from George Orwell's 1984, the allegorical all-seeing intrusive eye of the oppressive government, and often is a term simply used to describe the modern government with a dystopian flavor. Who else would have sent the Border Patrol after you?

This is probably one of the scariest issues facing GA today.

Zzz wrote:

iceman wrote:I've had Border Patrol looking for me in the past but they weren't sent by so called "big Brother"....

Big Brother is a character from George Orwell's 1984, the allegorical all-seeing intrusive eye of the oppressive government, and often is a term simply used to describe the modern government with a dystopian flavor. Who else would have sent the Border Patrol after you?

This is probably one of the scariest issues facing GA today.

I agree, Zane. I've been following AOPA's progress with the CBP stops pretty closely. I'm glad they're getting out front on this issue and drawing more public scrutiny to it!

qmdv wrote:We all will give up some freedom for safety. I will give up my right to drive at 100+ miles per hour for safety or fly 100 feet above an elementary school. Everybody draws a different line. We are more likely to give up somebody elses freedom for our safety. I think that happened to Germany a while back.

I do not mind going through security at an airport so that I have a reasonable assurance that a half a dozen folks that hate our way of life will not take over a plane with box cutters. But if we give up enough freedoms we will not have an "our way of life"

Tim.

I reject this idea that an airplane is in anyway safer because some TSA rule wont let me carry my swiss army knife on the plane. One can no longer take over a passenger plane with box cutters or pocket knives. That ended at about 10am on 9/11/01, just before UA 93 crashed in Pennsylvania. Anyone attempting to take over an airplane from that day forward will be beaten to death by passengers with laptop computers.

qmdv, you being sarcastic or serious? "I think that happened to Germany a while back."

The TSA is useless it's not stop any thing real. only thing it done is found is a forgotten handgun or pocket knife in a bag not one thing real

c170pete wrote:

qmdv wrote:We all will give up some freedom for safety. I will give up my right to drive at 100+ miles per hour for safety or fly 100 feet above an elementary school. Everybody draws a different line. We are more likely to give up somebody elses freedom for our safety. I think that happened to Germany a while back.

I do not mind going through security at an airport so that I have a reasonable assurance that a half a dozen folks that hate our way of life will not take over a plane with box cutters. But if we give up enough freedoms we will not have an "our way of life"

Tim.

I reject this idea that an airplane is in anyway safer because some TSA rule wont let me carry my swiss army knife on the plane. One can no longer take over a passenger plane with box cutters or pocket knives. That ended at about 10am on 9/11/01, just before UA 93 crashed in Pennsylvania. Anyone attempting to take over an airplane from that day forward will be beaten to death by passengers with laptop computers.

^^^This.

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c170pete wrote:

qmdv wrote:We all will give up some freedom for safety. I will give up my right to drive at 100+ miles per hour for safety or fly 100 feet above an elementary school. Everybody draws a different line. We are more likely to give up somebody elses freedom for our safety. I think that happened to Germany a while back.

I do not mind going through security at an airport so that I have a reasonable assurance that a half a dozen folks that hate our way of life will not take over a plane with box cutters. But if we give up enough freedoms we will not have an "our way of life"

Tim.

I reject this idea that an airplane is in anyway safer because some TSA rule wont let me carry my swiss army knife on the plane. One can no longer take over a passenger plane with box cutters or pocket knives. That ended at about 10am on 9/11/01, just before UA 93 crashed in Pennsylvania. Anyone attempting to take over an airplane from that day forward will be beaten to death by passengers with laptop computers.

What Pete said.

c170pete wrote:

qmdv wrote:We all will give up some freedom for safety. I will give up my right to drive at 100+ miles per hour for safety or fly 100 feet above an elementary school. Everybody draws a different line. We are more likely to give up somebody elses freedom for our safety. I think that happened to Germany a while back.

I do not mind going through security at an airport so that I have a reasonable assurance that a half a dozen folks that hate our way of life will not take over a plane with box cutters. But if we give up enough freedoms we will not have an "our way of life"

Tim.

I reject this idea that an airplane is in anyway safer because some TSA rule wont let me carry my swiss army knife on the plane. One can no longer take over a passenger plane with box cutters or pocket knives. That ended at about 10am on 9/11/01, just before UA 93 crashed in Pennsylvania. Anyone attempting to take over an airplane from that day forward will be beaten to death by passengers with laptop computers.

Well pete, you are right about that. Whenever something bad happens there is a rush to pass a new law. I remember last Christmas quite a few packages were not delivered tell after Christmas. Sen. Richard Blumenthal was even considering a law to regulate this. Luckily nothing came of it. The new banking laws (passed after the housing bubble burst on 2007) have created a fifth layer of bureaucracy in banking.

Fifty people with laptops would scare the hell out of me if all I had was a pocket knife (or fingernail clippers). Remind me, who caught the shoe bomber?

Tim

qmdv wrote:

c170pete wrote:

qmdv wrote:We all will give up some freedom for safety. I will give up my right to drive at 100+ miles per hour for safety or fly 100 feet above an elementary school. Everybody draws a different line. We are more likely to give up somebody elses freedom for our safety. I think that happened to Germany a while back.

I do not mind going through security at an airport so that I have a reasonable assurance that a half a dozen folks that hate our way of life will not take over a plane with box cutters. But if we give up enough freedoms we will not have an "our way of life"

Tim.

I reject this idea that an airplane is in anyway safer because some TSA rule wont let me carry my swiss army knife on the plane. One can no longer take over a passenger plane with box cutters or pocket knives. That ended at about 10am on 9/11/01, just before UA 93 crashed in Pennsylvania. Anyone attempting to take over an airplane from that day forward will be beaten to death by passengers with laptop computers.

Well pete, you are right about that. Whenever something bad happens there is a rush to pass a new law. I remember last Christmas quite a few packages were not delivered tell after Christmas. Sen. Richard Blumenthal was even considering a law to regulate this. Luckily nothing came of it. The new banking laws (passed after the housing bubble burst on 2007) have created a fifth layer of bureaucracy in banking.

Fifty people with laptops would scare the hell out of me if all I had was a pocket knife (or fingernail clippers). Remind me, who caught the shoe bomber?

Tim

I heard there's a Chinese place in Emmett, Idaho that serves up some damn good Pot Stickers!! That's all I know.

Big brother can watch me fly around all he wants. Heck, he can watch the videos I post too, glad someone finds them entertaining. As long as all he does is watch and ask politely I don't have a problem.

It's when I hear about guys being surrounded by as SWAT team and their plane searched after a completely legal flight that I start having a problem.

qmdv wrote:
Fifty people with laptops would scare the hell out of me if all I had was a pocket knife (or fingernail clippers). Remind me, who caught the shoe bomber?

Tim

Who caught the shoe bomber? Dumbass tripped on his own stupidity and was subdued by normal folks, not the TSA, Air Marshal, or armed pilot. If he wasn't so dumb and chose to light the fuse in the aft lavatory where no one would have seen him, might have been a different story. He did get it aboard. It never bothered me that they search for the dangerous stuff.

It's the continuous barrage of silly shit we should all push back on.

I recently visited the Alamo with my family and my 8 year old son bought a toy flintlock pistol at the gift store. We all had backpacks and no checked baggage. So as we were standing in line for the scanners for the flight home I read the sign that said "No knives, No guns, No replicas". The flintlock is a toy souvenir and not a replica but I knew that things had the potential to get interesting so I told my son to stay right next to me and if anyone says anything about the toy gun he should start crying and in his loudest crying voice exclaim "Please don't take my toy away!" and keep repeating that until I told him to stop .

Sure enough, his backpack goes through, then backs up, then forward and backward...then the guy gets nervous and starts waving at someone who ignores him so he picks up the backpack and runs it through again doing the same routine and finally turns on some light that alerted someone to take us and the backpack over to a table. I explained to the nice older gentleman that it was a toy from the gift store at the Alamo and he said "we still need to check it". At that point a wide lady came over to look at it and loudly exclaimed "Oh gosh, it's a replica!!" and scurried off like a chicken...bok, bok, bok.... I politely said "It's a toy flintlock from the gift store at the Alamo".

Finally another older gentleman came over, picked it up, looked at it and said "your good". We shoved it in the backpack and were on our way. I made him keep it in his pack the rest of the trip and didn't let him play with it on the flight.

CW

clippwagon wrote:I recently visited the Alamo with my family and my 8 year old son bought a toy flintlock pistol at the gift store. We all had backpacks and no checked baggage. So as we were standing in line for the scanners for the flight home I read the sign that said "No knives, No guns, No replicas". The flintlock is a toy souvenir and not a replica but I knew that things had the potential to get interesting so I told my son to stay right next to me and if anyone says anything about the toy gun he should start crying and in his loudest crying voice exclaim "Please don't take my toy away!" and keep repeating that until I told him to stop .

Sure enough, his backpack goes through, then backs up, then forward and backward...then the guy gets nervous and starts waving at someone who ignores him so he picks up the backpack and runs it through again doing the same routine and finally turns on some light that alerted someone to take us and the backpack over to a table. I explained to the nice older gentleman that it was a toy from the gift store at the Alamo and he said "we still need to check it". At that point a wide lady came over to look at it and loudly exclaimed "Oh gosh, it's a replica!!" and scurried off like a chicken...bok, bok, bok.... I politely said "It's a toy flintlock from the gift store at the Alamo".

Finally another older gentleman came over, picked it up, looked at it and said "your good". We shoved it in the backpack and were on our way. I made him keep it in his pack the rest of the trip and didn't let him play with it on the flight.

CW

At that point a wide lady came over to look at it and loudly exclaimed "Oh gosh, it's a replica!!" what's is it made from, nice plan with ur son to cry if they took it