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Bushwheels in snow

I was landing a Fairfield today and to my delight I saw a plane on the runway. Yeah, I thought, another ski flyer to go shred with! Then I see that the engine wasn't running despite the fact that he was a third of the way down the field. As I landed just past the parked aircraft I see that there are no skis, only 31" bushwheels. (OK the 31" part I picked up later)
A friend who was waiting for me to pick him up at the strip saw the whole sequence noting that it was a nice approach, with the tires catching the surface a couple times and then just GRABBED. The CC Cub went up on it's nose, but didn't drop a wing. I suspect that the high winds straight down the strip did a lot to prevent him from ending up on his back. My friend had helped him get the tail down just before I landed. We then got it turned around and back on my previous packed tracks and got it off the runway. As long as he kept it on the packed snow, things were relatively good, but obviously we weren't trying to accelerate. There was no vibration at moderate RPM and I don't think he was with concern for damage as the teardown was imminent and we were only using power to get him off the field. Pushing on the struts, I did have a couple chilling thoughts of the crank giving way, though!
When some county folks showed, up a comment was made to the pilot as to why he thought he could do this. I pointed out that the runway sides had snow berms indicating snow clearing at some point (they haven't cleared the runway in months, though) and my tracks showed recent use. You can't tell ski tracks from tire tracks from the air and it would be easy to assume that there was only a shallow layer of snow over a previously cleared track with ongoing use by aircraft.
The pilot also told me that just before it grabbed, he had added power to go-around and was until that point still at flying speed. Snow conditions make a big difference and is currently wind packed, crusty.
I can say that I have come close to pushing my luck with snow covered strips while on wheels. When we went to get our Christmas tree at Graham I had been in there several times that week as the snow fell and knew exactly how deep it was. After that success I almost went into another strip in the Owyhee's, but didn't have good indicators of snow depth and the voices told me not to - glad I listened. (Sidebar: why, if you listen to the good voices are you to be commended, but if you listen to the bad voices you're schizophrenic?!)
Anyway, winter's starting to feel long and wanted to pass on today's lesson to those of you with itchy feet and tires wanting to get off the pavement.

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Ouch! Nice looking cub, though.

Thanks for the report, a good wake up call for me.

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Just think how cheap a set of straight skis are going to appear now. That is one shiney cub.
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Bending the prop just saved him from having to fly that thing in cold weather, if they have such a thing there. The CC-18 is a complete disaster when it comes to cabin heat.

Maybe he landed here cause he couldn't see out the damn windows for the frost.....I know THAT feeling with these airplanes.

Some people apparently believe that they can land anywhere if they put a set of big tires on.

Still takes a bit of judgement, apparently.

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Complain, complain Mike, I thought you Fairbanks types thrived on cold airplanes and frosty windscreens. Every book about derring do on the Yukon river involves routinely not being able to feel your feet, move your lips or see out the frosted windscreen (at night) whilst rescuing Joe Miner / Trapper and flying same to Fairbanks for emergency surgery... :D

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How much do you think that will cost him to get it flying again if no damage to the engine?
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Looks like he didn't have an eskimo around to describe the quality of snow to him....if that had been some fresh Montana blower pow (less than 2% water!), he would have felt zero resistance and charged on unimpeded. :P

If you can afford 31" BW, I guess a teardown inspection is pocket change as well.
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JC wrote:How much do you think that will cost him to get it flying again if no damage to the engine?


Ballpark, probably around $5K for a teardown inspection, $300 - 500 to fix the prop. My engine shop guy says that Lycomings are renowned for having a pretty tough crankshaft, so he might get lucky and not have to change it.

Just got done with this drill a couple of months ago on a little continental. All - in - all it could have been a lot more expensive, but the feeling of being a dumb ass is priceless...:oops:

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That SUCKS!!! Bushwheels are great guys but Please..... Water= Floats
Snow = Ski's

I know it can happen in an instant but be carefull!!! :cry:
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So when are the new snowheels due :lol:
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THAT.......is gonna leave a mark!

Guy's gotta roll stuff a FEW times to make sure of what he's gettin' into. Also be ready to ADD power to keep the tail down.
And being really cautious without a person in the back is a good thing.
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BRD,

My wife says I'm numb from the waist up, so I'm thinking it's the airplane. This thing runs OIL temps of 90 degrees F at OAT of -10 F. Hell, that isn't even BODY temperature of a really cold Yukon woman on a bad day of PMS....

And, yes, we have checked the gauge, which is accurate...

I once flew with an ex P-38 driver from WW-II. He said on the long bomber escort missions, they'd PRAY for some German to come up and piss em off, so they'd have an excuse to get down to lower altitudes and warm up.

Apparently, the primary heat in a P-38 was the pilot's flight suit.

I know that feeling.

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landing in 8 inches of snow is tricky. but laning in 8 inches of crusty snow is a recipe for u tube. You need to make a few passes and when you commit, pray! it worked for me. sorry for the pilot. but no guts no glory.
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jmtgt wrote:
Hottshot wrote:That SUCKS!!! Bushwheels are great guys but Please..... Water= Floats
Snow = Ski's

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Hey you did not disclose that when I got my Bushwheels. I want my money back when these are worn out!!! :shock:


You ... Your on your own..... I don't have the right kind of degree to help you ...
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Maybe you have "Mad Cowboy Disease"....
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Snow????? What's that????? :wink:
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It only got up to 56 degrees today.....May rain this week too 8)
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jmtgt wrote:
Hottshot wrote:
You ... Your on your own..... I don't have the right kind of degree to help you ...


Hmmm I see how it is going to be....may your holster rot from Mad Cow disease!!! 8)



That is why I like you john always sharen' the luv......
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jmtgt, now thats funny, thanks for the chuckle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D 8)
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