Had a C-172 crash in Mass, leaving from Maine...2 dead out of the four aboard....3 large men, a woman, golf club sets (rear CG?) high DA yesterday....? fuel load?? ..took off and couldn't get altitude or air speed...turned to go back to the airfield, of course stalled....plowed into the ground....a good reminder ....drop the nose down...don't turn around, esp w/o enough altitude...although who knows what you will strike if you go forward....
more details as they become avail...

go to www.boston.com/news

for pics, video, more info

Sad news.This is the second twin cities air plane in about a year to crash.They also owned the 172 that crashed in bethel with 3 cadets getting an orientation flight last summer.

The Bonanza overloaded and now this. I have had around 12 bianuals. Prior to buying my 182B, I needed a high performance checkoff and did it in a later 182. I cannot remember on any of these occasions me having to do a weight and ballance calc.

Come on you guys that do the biannuals, make us work. We should be doing this on our own but we somtimes need to be forced to do the calcs.

I will admit that with the 182, it is hard to overload. Went to a wedding down south and took my son in law-240, me-180, daughter-135 wife-top secret, survival stuff-15, tools, oil, tie down ropes, syphen hose (don't leave home without it) etc-25, luggage-120.

Full fuel would make it non stop but would also be over gross. After refueling in Woodland on a 95 deg day we were within 10 pounds of gross. What a pig it was but legal and safe, just not fun.

Tim

The 172 is a great 2 place airplane.

IdahoSupercub

Idaho SuperCub wrote:The 172 is a great 2 place airplane.

IdahoSupercub

In Hawthorne Nevada on a hot day with the O-300, it's a dog one person airplane....

Gump

qmdv wrote:The Bonanza overloaded and now this. I have had around 12 bianuals. Prior to buying my 182B, I needed a high performance checkoff and did it in a later 182. I cannot remember on any of these occasions me having to do a weight and ballance calc.

Come on you guys that do the biannuals, make us work. We should be doing this on our own but we somtimes need to be forced to do the calcs.

I will admit that with the 182, it is hard to overload. Went to a wedding down south and took my son in law-240, me-180, daughter-135 wife-top secret, survival stuff-15, tools, oil, tie down ropes, syphen hose (don't leave home without it) etc-25, luggage-120.

Full fuel would make it non stop but would also be over gross. After refueling in Woodland on a 95 deg day we were within 10 pounds of gross. What a pig it was but legal and safe, just not fun.

Tim

For those of you with a Smartphone such as a Motorola Q like I have here is a neat program.
http://www.hiltonsoftware.com/
It has a W+B page in the software with most aircraft already preprogrammed, all you have to do is add your aircrafts empty weight and CG location from your W+B sheet in the plane. If by chance your aircraft is not in the data base send him an email and he will update the program most likely that day. The output shows the envelope with dots on the screen where your CG is for empty weight, before takeoff, landing, etc. It also can show it in a bar graph form as well as in table form. The program also gets the weather, radar, TFR's etc as well as show airport diagrams, approach plates, etc. Really cool little program.

Gump, I see Hawthorne is near Flying M...are you involved in the Fossett search??

are they looking for more searchers or are they inundated w/folks wanting to help out....?

also...it was 4 lg men in the 172, 4 sets of golf clubs & gear (rear CG) , low time pilot, rented aircraft (familiarity w/plane)..high DA day...who knows fuel-weight load.....all adding up to a bad, however somewhat predictable outcome...it seems that we get a lesson we can all learn from every day !!

mtnflyr wrote:Gump, I see Hawthorne is near Flying M...are you involved in the Fossett search??

are they looking for more searchers or are they inundated w/folks wanting to help out....?

The day Fossett took off and disappeared I was out on my four-wheeler crawling along the countryside right at Flying M. It was a shitty flying day, and I commented to my girlfriend that I was glad I wasn't up there getting my butt kicked by the winds. Didn't see or hear a single airplane flying that whole day.

I went out today and flew for about 3 hours, wandering down south and west of Tonopah, working the ranges above the dry lakebeds down there. Fossett was supposed to be looking for dry lakes for a land speed record site, but the thing is, all the lakebeds here are pretty small, and I can't think of anyplace near this part of Nevada that would be suitable. I'm assuming that you'd need miles and miles of flat/smooth.

Who knows. Maybe he changed his name and moved to Idaho.

Gump