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Circle / spiral formations in the remote SE Oregon desert.

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Around Early October we were off airport at a site Just north of Hart Mountain visiting friends and took off headed for Alvord Hot Springs in far southeast Oregon. Along the way we saw these large circle / sprial formations in the desert. There are four in this picture, two overlapping in the center of the picture and two others kind of hidden behind the wing strut. To give an idea of perspective, we were probably 4,000 feet AGL. I was trying to conserve fuel, so we didn't drop down for a closer look.

The look man made to me. Any ideas what they might be?
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Alien runways.
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Mr. Ed wrote:Alien runways.


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Re: Circle / spiral formations in the remote SE Oregon deser

Our NV crew might chime in sooner or later. But could it be part of mining exploration and starting of a new mine?

Also, were you inside of an MOA? I believe I read an article or even somebody here talk about in another thread that the Gov. makes these formations/roads for target practice?? Maybe even to control range fires? I dunno.

I believe this formation is for range fire control. This is somewhere show of the Owyhee River, but north of Midas, NV.
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I think I found the culprit:
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Picture from: http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/fishlake/home/?cid=stelprdb5109297
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Not likely anything to do with mining (I'm a geologist in NV and never seen any exploration stuff that would look like this except if one is spiraling a drill road up around a hill). The straight lines I believe are for fire control, but I don't know about the spirals. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. I have seen similar things elsewhere around the state (NV).
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Yup, that is the location. I was kicking myself for not making a waypoint at the time so I could go look at the on google maps later.

Thanks!
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From the scale on google maps, the largest one has a diameter of a little over 2000' across, and there appear to be just the four we saw from the plane.
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Cub271 wrote:Yup, that is the location. I was kicking myself for not making a waypoint at the time so I could go look at the on google maps later.

Thanks!


Not sure what or how much can be seen from the ground. But, I have this marked down on my list of things to research and check out. Never know, I might have to do a recon trip in the Bronco.

I love this type stuff and exploring the deserts of eastern OR, southern ID and NV.
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This may be a continuation of some "art projects" in the Oregon desert. In 1990 4 guys scraped a Hindu "Sri Yantra" in a lakebed north of Burns, the next year they set up several hundred wood poles near alvarado hot springs. If you google the oregon sri yantra you will find lots of explanations for it, mostly involving UFO's or alien crop circles, but it was really done by 4 guys with a surveror's transit and an old plow. The tinfoil hat crowd still refuses to believe it was manmade.
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I wonder if the BLM or NWS knows anything about them?

Does anyone have a map that shows if the location found by 58Skylane is on BLM land or on Hart Mountain Refuge?
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Cub271 wrote:I wonder if the BLM or NWS knows anything about them?

Does anyone have a map that shows if the location found by 58Skylane is on BLM land or on Hart Mountain Refuge?


I just have the "Owyhee Canyon Country" and "Malheur River Country" maps. That spiral formation might be on the "Steens-High Desert Country" BLM maps.

When I get a chance, I'll try to locate that map. Might have to go to the Vale BLM office.

Here's another interesting article I found: http://www.capitalpress.com/oregon/djw-CNTRwhitehorse-w-art-101212


Finding some more info. Those Spirals are inside the "Hart Mountain National Antelope Refuge" http://www.fws.gov/sheldonhartmtn/Hart/management.html

This happened in the Hart Mt Ant. Refuge. Oops!!
http://www.kval.com/news/local/27873394.html
Police airplane hits rocks during takeoff from remote airstrip
Published: Sep 4, 2008 at 1:50 PM PST Last Updated: Mar 26, 2009 at 9:34 PM PST
HART MOUNTAIN NATIONAL ANTELOPE REFUGE, Ore. -- A state police plane hit rocks today while attempting to take off from a remote gravel road used as an airstrip about 40 miles northeast of Lakeview, Ore.

Neither of the two people aboard were injured.

Oregon State Police Senior Trooper Duane Price and Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife District Wildlife Biologist Craig Foster were working in the Hart Mountain National Antelope Refuge area in Lake County taking a Bighorn Sheep census.

As the 1981 Cessna A185F Skywagon II four-seat aircraft piloted by Price was accelerating on a rough gravel road surface for takeoff, it veered off the road and struck several rocks.

Damage to the aircraft's under carriage and wing will require it to be removed from the area on a flatbed truck.
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VL_Mail, BLM_OR (sent by [email protected])
Jan 23 (2 days ago)

to Mark, me, BLM_OR_BU_Mail, BLM_OR_SO_Land.

Good Morning Brad,

Thank you for the very interesting photograph. While I am certainly not an expert but I am used to seeing things from the air as my son is a pilot. On this picture you can see that the spirals are in an agricultural area ( the darker color) and these spirals are at the center of the growth area. It is my opinion that these are tracks from a irrigation pivot probably in a hay field where the tracks can be more developed since the ground is not plowed under every year. There is also a possibility that these could be made by and ATV or dirt bike. You could really get the city folks going with this though.

XXXXX XXXXXXXXX
Vale District BLM
541-473-6200


Well, strike one for the BLM. Above is the first response I got in regard to an email sent to BLM about the spiral formations in the picture at the beginning of this thread. Thanks to 58Skylane I had also included the Google Maps link and the lat/lon coordinates.

The darker area is mature sage... And even though i'm a 'city folk' i'm pretty sure irrigation pivots don't go in spirals. :roll:

I sent a couple other emails out, we'll see if they come up with anything better.
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Wow, how do they find such clueless people to fill all the government jobs?

I finally got around to looking at it. It's where they tore up the ground running around with some equipment out in the sagebrush setting a backfire to stop a big blaze that was blowing in that direction. Naturally, the blaze never got to where they drove in the spiral patterns.

Look on Google Earth, and you will see where the fire went in some spots from west to east until it got to the road. It's easier to see if you use the historical imagery from 2001. Coordinates are 42.65, -119.50 .
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kevbert wrote:Wow, how do they find such clueless people to fill all the government jobs?

I finally got around to looking at it. It's where they tore up the ground running around with some equipment out in the sagebrush setting a backfire to stop a big blaze that was blowing in that direction. Naturally, the blaze never got to where they drove in the spiral patterns.

Look on Google Earth, and you will see where the
fire went in some spots from west to east until it got to the road. It's easier to see if you use the historical imagery from 2001. Coordinates are 42.65, -119.50 .


You mean the trooper pilot who couldn't keep it on the road, the blm'er, or both?!
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kevbert wrote:Wow, how do they find such clueless people to fill all the government jobs?

I finally got around to looking at it. It's where they tore up the ground running around with some equipment out in the sagebrush setting a backfire to stop a big blaze that was blowing in that direction. Naturally, the blaze never got to where they drove in the spiral patterns.

Look on Google Earth, and you will see where the
fire went in some spots from west to east until it got to the road. It's easier to see if you use the historical imagery from 2001. Coordinates are 42.65, -119.50 .


You mean the trooper pilot who couldn't keep it on the road, the blm'er, or both?!



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kevbert wrote:Wow, how do they find such clueless people to fill all the government jobs?

I finally got around to looking at it. It's where they tore up the ground running around with some equipment out in the sagebrush setting a backfire to stop a big blaze that was blowing in that direction. Naturally, the blaze never got to where they drove in the spiral patterns.

Look on Google Earth, and you will see where the fire went in some spots from west to east until it got to the road. It's easier to see if you use the historical imagery from 2001. Coordinates are 42.65, -119.50 .


Here's some more interesting patterns about five miles south along the French Glenn road, 42,59 -119.57. Educated guess is these are prescribe fire blocks, possibly a study area comparing results of mowing vs burning vs mowing and burning of sagebrush. If 58Skylane makes that recon trip I suspect he won't find soil disturbance in the spirals, Just fire scars.

If you look back throug the historical images in google earth the patterns seem to get very faint in some images. Those were taken in spring when the grass that replaced the sage after burning is green. The summer and fall images show up more defined due to the grass being cured.The spirals may have been lit with an ATV torch or possibly a helicopter with a helitorch.

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What would be the purpose of a spiral fire break?

They find all these idiots through the veterans preference program.
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whee wrote:What would be the purpose of a spiral fire break?

They find all these idiots through the veterans preference program.


The spiral lighting pattern is a technique to try to generate enough heat so a fire will continue to spread with low wind speeds or in fuels that are too sparse or too damp for fire to spread otherwise. It is obvious it did't work in this case.
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I thought he meant it was a spiral dozer line which I couldn't understand. A spiral to start a back burn makes sense, thanks.
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