I read this on the Baja Bush Pilots web site. Looks like the idiots running the show are going to go ahead with the internet notification requirement for coming into the USA. Later, Ford

http://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUploa ... 621_PI.pdf

here it is, all 78 pages. read it and weep. or get mad.
yes it might have been worse and thx to BBP and AOPA et al who sent in comments.

as i read the feds' response to each section of comments it became clear that regardless - the guvment can do as it pleases whenever they want.

this is scary, small planes and pax of same are no GD threat. They can't even control the border at ground level worth a crap and so they invent this level of bureaucracy to further restrict our freedoms. I don't know about the members here but this makes me damn irate.

they have basically penned us in telling us we have to ask permission to leave.
the present system unchanged gives them all the security they need, we need - sticker so we're registered, advance notice before we land and they can check us all out upon arrival.

big brother here now and it is going to get worse, never better.

Comment: A few commenters stated that the risk scenarios presented in the Regulatory Analysis were not realistic for the vast majority of general aviation aircraft. One commenter stated that potential terrorist risks on small aircraft are miniscule.
Response: CBP agrees that some of the risk scenarios are more likely than others and noted this in the NPRM and in this document. These scenarios were intended to capture a range of possible outcomes given the lack of specific data on terrorist attacks involving private aircraft.

Duh...I wonder why there is a lack of data...

I read the thing...the person who wrote this was a master of obfuscation when it came to points CBP/DHS wished to gloss over. Everyone who commented basically pointed out that this thing is intrinsically unworkable. And they went ahead an did it anyway...

CBP's Final Rule wrote: Response: CBP did not hold public meetings on this proposed rule and did not
meet with any individuals or associations to discuss the proposed rule. The 75-day
comment period and the large number of comments received during the NPRM’s
comment period were sufficient for CBP to accurately determine public sentiment.

Well, there you have it. They accurately determined public sentiment without actually meeting with anyone. Then they ignored the public comments that they had received, and came up with their final solution. This country is becoming a cheap imitation of Nazi Germany. Your papers, please!

I'm actually beginning to look forward to breathing the Zyklon B!

Jr.CubBuilder wrote:When I was a little kid a wise man told me that as time went by the United States would become more like the Soviet Union and the police state of the Soviet Union would become more like the US. Hmmmmmmmmmmm

I am an old man. I have watched it happen and as I watched I learned that, despite letters to congressmen official comments to regulatory agencies, phone calls, membership in advocacy organizations, the guvmint will get us all eventually.
Bob

Can you say,,,, REVOLUTION ???.

TSA.... GESTAPO?
Identity papers at state line checkpoints?
Permits to travel interstate, intrastate, in or out of the country?
Arbiet Mach Frei?
I have no more teritorial demand?

If you had never known freedom you don't know what it is, so you'll never miss what you never had.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

Someone from the government knows what best for you better than you do.

CRAP!!!
Is Zyklon B a controlled substance or can you buy it at Wal-Mart?
HC

what efect does this have on Canpass http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/en/goc/c ... raft.shtml

Tim

hicountry wrote:TSA.... GESTAPO?
Identity papers at state line checkpoints?
Permits to travel interstate, intrastate, in or out of the country?
Arbiet Mach Frei?

HC

Hey there's a "t" at the end of Mach..... It's Arbeit Macht Frei." I took four years of German.... But I hole hartedly agrea, we are in for more freadum loss in the NoBama future>>> Just another A holes opinyun! And here we go off to Hot Air again!!!

Can't blame this one on Obama, just love Dubya and his buddies for this.

As far as CanPass goes, I haven't heard anything changing heading north EXCEPT the damn 406 ELT requirement that still isn't set in stone.

Are you saying that this only for the southern border?

Tim

qmdv wrote:Are you saying that this only for the southern border?

Tim

No, all borders appear to be equally shackled by this new rule.

CBP Final Rule wrote: This final rule requires private aircraft pilots or their designees
arriving in the United States from a foreign port or location destined for a U.S. port or
location, or departing the United States to a foreign port or location, to transmit
electronically to CBP passenger manifest information for each individual traveling
onboard the aircraft.

iceman wrote:

hicountry wrote:TSA.... GESTAPO?
Identity papers at state line checkpoints?
Permits to travel interstate, intrastate, in or out of the country?
Arbiet Mach Frei?

HC

Hey there's a "t" at the end of Mach..... It's Arbeit Macht Frei." I took four years of German.... But I hole hartedly agrea, we are in for more freadum loss in the NoBama future>>> Just another A holes opinyun! And here we go off to Hot Air again!!!

And there's a "w" at the beginning of whole.

We don't care, we don't have to. We are Homeland Security.

This reads like typical DC ivory tower crap. The people who write these regulations would not know a GA aircraft if it ran over their toe and have no idea how an aircraft operates out of an uncontrolled airport or waterway.

Hopefully the incoming administration can reign in the Homeland Security behemoth or maybe even break it apart into its original parts.

For example if the FBI were its own agency again it might actually have the staff and direction to prosecute the white collar thieves responsible for my 401k melt down.

TD

Could a guy just fly below the radar when crossing & say piss on'em?

It would appear that the 911 attack was more successful than first thought.

qmdv wrote:Are you saying that this only for the southern border?

Tim

No, but the requirement is for entering the US, not leaving it.

One option - I suppose - is to leave it and not come back

Wirsig: You could probably fly under the radar once and one way but make sure your insurance is paid up.

Leaving the USA is certainly an option but as one who knows, the grass being green is not the only consideration. There are no Trader Joe's in Canada or Mexico.

once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:

qmdv wrote:Are you saying that this only for the southern border?

Tim

No, but the requirement is for entering the US, not leaving it.

One option - I suppose - is to leave it and not come back

Read the ruling, you will discover that the requirement covers both entering and leaving the US.

a friend of mine in Anchorage, has a friend with a RV8 with extra fuel. He goes non stop from Anchorage to someplace in Washington. No customs, no nothing. Just fly.

kevbert wrote:

once&futr_alaskaflyer wrote:

qmdv wrote:Are you saying that this only for the southern border?

Tim

No, but the requirement is for entering the US, not leaving it.

One option - I suppose - is to leave it and not come back

Read the ruling, you will discover that the requirement covers both entering and leaving the US.

My mistake

To paraphrase another writer writing coincidentally on another subject today ( ): "O, Canada: While we scream and yell about being the land of the free, you quietly live it."