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Desser 27/10-8 Tundra Tire

We finally received the new Desser 27 inch tires last week, and got them on the S-6 last Saturday. These replaced some 21 inch smooth Nanco tires that worked fine, they just weren't quite big enough. The Desser's look promising, here are a few details, observations and thoughts:

We are running them tubeless on Matco 8 inch wheels, same as with the Nancos. They weigh 20.4 lb per tire compared to the Nancos at 8.2 lb per tire, so they are about 25 lb heavier total. 26 inch AK Bushwheel Airstreaks are 21 lb per tire, so pretty similar to the Dessers. We hate to add the weight, but think the added size is well worth it. These tires are much more substantial than the Nancos (in a good way). They feel very sturdy/tough, but the sidewalls are still quite soft (a good thing).

The photos below are with the tires at 5 psi which feels pretty good. We haven't experimented with higher or lower pressures yet, so slightly higher or lower might be better.

They added exactly 1 degree of AOA with the airplane empty.

On landing, the increased inertia of the tire spinning up is noticeable, similar to AK Bushwheels (not really objectionable, it's just there).

Basically, so far so good. These tires look to be a great option for light sport class aircraft seeking off airport capability. It doesn't seem like they'll give up much (if anything) to AK Airstreaks in performance (time will tell though, we admittedly don't have a lot of experience with them yet), while being less than half the cost, and they're able to be used with the 8 inch Matco wheels that a lot of Rans/Zenith/Kitfox/etc. planes are already using.

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Tubed or tubeless?
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Says tubeless on the sidewall...
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Excellent!
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hotrod180 wrote:Tubed or tubeless?

A1Skinner wrote:Says tubeless on the sidewall...


Says he's running them tubeless if you read his post also :wink:
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robw56 wrote:
hotrod180 wrote:Tubed or tubeless?

A1Skinner wrote:Says tubeless on the sidewall...


Says he's running them tubeless if you read his post also :wink:

Haha. Good one Rob, I missed that!
They do look good though. Wonder if they have any plans on coming out with a 6" tire?
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robw56 wrote:
hotrod180 wrote:Tubed or tubeless?

A1Skinner wrote:Says tubeless on the sidewall...

Says he's running them tubeless if you read his post also :wink:


Yup, fourth sentence into the first post. :oops:
That darned speed-reading course I took taught me to only read every other sentence, missing half the info is the only drawback.
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How soft is the rubber compound, compared to say an Airstreak?
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Battson wrote:How soft is the rubber compound, compared to say an Airstreak?


Not sure exactly, but I've got a durometer tester around here somewhere. I'll try to get a comparison between the Dessers and some 29 inch AK Bushwheels (not Airstreaks though...) tomorrow for you.
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A1Skinner wrote:Wonder if they have any plans on coming out with a 6" tire?



Per a conversation with a Desser rep on the Kitfox board the economics of tooling for 6" wheels is unviable at this time…
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Re: Desser 27/10-8 Tundra Tire

Battson wrote:How soft is the rubber compound, compared to say an Airstreak?


Shore A durometer readings of all the tires I had available:

Desser 27 inch = 55
AK Bushwheel 29 inch = 70
Air Trac 8.00 = 65

One thing to note is that the Bushwheels are 5 or so years old, as are the Air Tracs, compared to the brand new Dessers. I'm not sure what rubber does over time concerning durometer, but the new Dessers are definitely some softer.
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Looks pretty sharp with those mounted. I may have to contact Matco and see what the wheel upgrade would cost for my S7. Do you have double puck brakes? With the 21 inch Dessers, my brakes are just OK. I can hold for a run up at 3500 but that's aboit it.
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Easy Riser wrote:Do you have double puck brakes? With the 21 inch Dessers, my brakes are just OK. I can hold for a run up at 3500 but that's aboit it.


No, single puck brakes, for now. They were pretty good with the 21 inch tires, but are a bit marginal with the 27 inch Dessers. Doubles may be in the future...
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Tried single pucks with Matco high pressure kits...wasn't enough brakes with 29" Airstreaks. Having marginal brakes is fine until you NEED THE BRAKES! Some will argue all day long about it, pilot technique, whatever. Anyway, the second puck was the way to go for us. Also switched to 1/8 braided brake lines.
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gbflyer wrote:Tried single pucks with Matco high pressure kits...wasn't enough brakes with 29" Airstreaks. Having marginal brakes is fine until you NEED THE BRAKES! Some will argue all day long about it, pilot technique, whatever. Anyway, the second puck was the way to go for us. Also switched to 1/8 braided brake lines.


I felt a "Huge" difference in braking power just going from 8.00s to 8.50s on my old 170. The single puck brakes felt weak and my stopping distances went up significantly with just slightly larger meats. I realized that if I needed much brake to maintain directional control on the ground, what was available might not be enough. I switched back to 8.00s until I got the double pucks installed.
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gbflyer wrote: Having marginal brakes is fine until you NEED THE BRAKES!


I absolutely agree with this quote. In fact, I learned that lesson the hard way probably 20 years ago with a PA-12 that I flew home to work on the brakes (knowing that they were inop) Take off and landing wasn't a problem, but trying to taxi once I turned sideways to the wind, and having to climb a hill was a bad experience. Let's just say I learned through my wallet. Not going to do that again.

Brakes are important. Kind of like the helicopter analogy, there are no unimportant parts on my flying machine.
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Hate reviving a dead thread, but have to ask since I am on the fence between 6" Airstreak vs 8" Dessers:

How are you running these tubeless? Is the stem mounted in the rim like a car wheel and a stiff bead keeps the wheel from slipping the rim and losing pressure?

(I am running the 8.50x6 version of this tire with a tube and it is good, but I can't run low enough pressures to really get the full benefit because of possibly shearing a valve stem...)
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I just upgraded from the Nancos myself. I haven't flown it yet but they look amazing!

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Another Avid guy has over 30 pavement landings on his and the little rubber strip in the center of the tire is still clearly visible.
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Saw them at Osh last week. There are in the RD phase now (so they days) for a 29 and 31 to come out in the next year. Problem is they for now are sticking to the 8 inch rim it seems. They are Tubeless
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A1Skinner wrote:Wonder if they have any plans on coming out with a 6" tire?

Per a conversation with a Desser rep on the Kitfox board the economics of tooling for 6" wheels is unviable at this time…


I was looking at a set of the Aero Classic 850 smoothies on another airplane at a fly-in last weekend. Thinking I might go that way when it comes time for new tires for my 180. Same size as my preferred airtracs, but lighter & treadles for throwing less gravel. As far as something bigger, it would sure be nice if Desser came out with something comparable to the 26" Goodyear blimp tire, but lighter, more cushy, and hopefully less expensive. I think they'd sell a lot of them, to people like me who don't wanna pony up the dough for BW's.
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