hotrod180 wrote:I just got this flyer in the mail from Desser. I dunno if they just mailed it to their customer list, or if they mailed one to everyone in the country with a taildragger.

I'll bet that they mined the FAA registry and are focusing on the 180/185 market. I got one of those as well.

Same here.

I see that Desser's flyer mentions GarAero adapters & Clevelands as wheel options, but very pointedly does NOT mention the ABW 10" wheels.
Anyone have any idea of the price & availability of the Cleveland 40-101, 40-223, and 40-129 wheels they list?

hotrod180 wrote:I see that Desser's flyer mentions GarAero adapters & Clevelands as wheel options, but very pointedly does NOT mention the ABW 10" wheels.
Anyone have any idea of the price & availability of the Cleveland 40-101, 40-223, and 40-129 wheels they list?

Round # $4000 apiece from SkyGeek!!

Use the 10X6.5 cub wheel from ABW?

gbflyer wrote:Use the 10X6.5 cub wheel from ABW?

No valve stem hole...

Ahh yes. That's a problem.

gbflyer wrote:Ahh yes. That's a problem.

Only on a certified airplane!!

FWIW... I was just about to buy a set at OSH but was swayed not to. The down low from Desser (at OSH) is that they are just about to announce a true 29" Bushwheel. Tire is already made and just working it out with the feds. The tire will have the same compound as the 31s on the ride surface, but a much more flexible compound on the sidewalls. Tires will have the same AML as ABWs. Tubless, 6" wheel, super tough long lasting on pavement, and very flexible for off airport. In the words of the rep, this is going to be a "bushwheel killer."

Ah yes but the 10" Clevlands give you a huge advantage over other wheels, the larger brake rotor and increased braking power.

mghallen wrote:Ah yes but the 10" Clevlands give you a huge advantage over other wheels, the larger brake rotor and increased braking power.

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I think the weak link in the 31's is that they are stiff. These new tires are reported to have a much flexier sidewall AND a more durable wear surface, which is why they are going to be a much better option than the ABW.s RE: the brakes, not sure what you are referring to. Both the Gar Aero and the 10x10 ABW use the same disc.

At the show, Grove spoke of being on the cusp of making wheels for the 31's. These may have larger diameter discs, but that's out of my wheelhouse. All I can say is that I am running 29 ABWs and double pucks on my 1800 lb Wagon. When I land in the grass/gravel, I can already lock em up tight, so Im not sure what a larger disc would net me. (that said, I very rarely fly at or even near gross, so perhaps there may be a benefit...)

bigrenna wrote:

mghallen wrote:Ah yes but the 10" Clevlands give you a huge advantage over other wheels, the larger brake rotor and increased braking power.

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I think the weak link in the 31's is that they are stiff. These new tires are reported to have a much flexier sidewall AND a more durable wear surface, which is why they are going to be a much better option than the ABW.s RE: the brakes, not sure what you are referring to. Both the Gar Aero and the 10x10 ABW use the same disc.

At the show, Grove spoke of being on the cusp of making wheels for the 31's. These may have larger diameter discs, but that's out of my wheelhouse. All I can say is that I am running 29 ABWs and double pucks on my 1800 lb Wagon. When I land in the grass/gravel, I can already lock em up tight, so Im not sure what a larger disc would net me. (that said, I very rarely fly at or even near gross, so perhaps there may be a benefit...)

I'd be very skeptical of a company like Desser producing a multi compound tire... Anybody else remember when you could buy your Bushwheels in 3 different durometers? even then, when you could choose a different stiffness / durability of rubber, you couldn't get one that had differing compounds wishing the same tire...Of course, that was a lot of water under the bridge ago, and there is other technology to vary the felt stiffness of the tire, so maybe they can pull it off? Flexible sidewall, tougher wear surface, and no-shear valve stem would be a Bushwheel killer on it's own, coming from Desser, it would likely be more economical as well as being better... Still not holding my breath though.

With what it costs to produce hand made tires and still make a profit I've always been amazed that one of the companies tooled up to do it right in a modern and economical sense hasn't jumped in and took over...

Flexier.... I like that... Kinda like Flexible and sexy...

I think mgh was referring to the other 10" wheels on the flyer ( Cleveland 40-101 etc). I am only speculating, But I seem to remember he was a Caravan guy, so that'd make sense. Depending on which flavor of those we are talking about they are used on the 'Van, Thrush, AirTractor etc... They are typically set up as triple pucks, or two banks of triple pucks ... I can't imagine too many folks on this forum (except maybe the Beaver, Porter, possibly a Brousard driver?) willing to take the massive weight penalty these wheels carry in exchange for the extra braking that as you pointed out we really don't need... And in the case of a couple of those heavy's I mentioned, beta and reverse really makes their braking more than adequate already...

Not holding my breath on the Bushwheel killer, but really appreciate the insight, and hope you're right!
Take care, Rob

Larger diameter brake rotor would require a new torque plate for the brake caliper, also would eliminate the ability to "quick change" between already-mounted fatties & already-mounted 850's (or whatever)

I'm currently working on installing the 10in clevelands on my 185. It should be the perfect setup using all the hardware from the C188. They used a single caliper that has dual piston similar to the stock caliper but for the bigger disc. Majority of the AgTrucks have the 10in wheels, hopefully the braking action is a lot better vs stock brakes and ABWs.

bigrenna wrote:FWIW... I was just about to buy a set at OSH but was swayed not to. The down low from Desser (at OSH) is that they are just about to announce a true 29" Bushwheel. Tire is already made and just working it out with the feds. The tire will have the same compound as the 31s on the ride surface, but a much more flexible compound on the sidewalls. Tires will have the same AML as ABWs. Tubless, 6" wheel, super tough long lasting on pavement, and very flexible for off airport. In the words of the rep, this is going to be a "bushwheel killer."

Finally! Bushwheel needs some competition to bring the prices down

Tom wrote:Finally! Bushwheel needs some competition to bring the prices down

Highly doubt you'll see a decline in the price of a Bushwheel. The man hours that go into each ABW are extremely high and although the Desser will be a good alternative for some, they won't replace Bushwheels.

Wonder if these will be the solution for aircraft like 180/185 that want 31's but do a lot of side slope ops (beaches etc.)? If they are stiffer, I assume they won't squish out as bad as the ABW 31.

I like the 31 ABW on my wagon even better than the 29's, but rarely get on real steep sideslopes. Every pilot I know that does a lot of side slope stuff didn't stick with 31 ABW very long.

Replaced my 29-10 inch air Hawks with 31-10 Dessers . Thin sidewalls ,thick rubber on the pavement side.
Perfect for my 180 which spends half time on pavement and half on grass and dirt.

Blown56 wrote:
Replaced my 29-10 inch air Hawks with 31-10 Dessers . Thin sidewalls ,thick rubber on the pavement side.
Perfect for my 180 which spends half time on pavement and half on grass and dirt.

Which wheels are you running to run those the dessers?

Re: Desser 31s

Blown56 wrote:
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Replaced my 29-10 inch air Hawks with 31-10 Dessers . Thin sidewalls ,thick rubber on the pavement side.
Perfect for my 180 which spends half time on pavement and half on grass and dirt.

Which wheels are you running to run those the dessers?
I mounted them on the 10 x10 Alaska bush wheels my air hawk came on . Wish they were tubeless.
The fit was great.