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Digital camera Pireps

Need pireps for buying a used digital camera that can accommodate a long lens for our travels. We are NOT camera people- only cell phone pics so far. Pics will mostly be from Husky so is there some type of gyro/stabilizer?? Hopefully fairly durable and simple.
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Re: Digital camera Pireps

Do you have a budget?

Do you already own said long lens? Or just want the capability?

There are some great options for more compact cameras with built-in long zooms that after much lighter and convenient than a body+lens setup.

You need to decide if you ARE going to become camera people. I'm a camera nerd and perpetual student of photography, but often only have my phone with me because I can't believe bothered to drag my photo pack along. The smaller the better.
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Another factor to consider is how will you keep your new-to-you camera powered up when you travel to places in the US that lack a power source (utility power line to the outside world, generator, or...). My cameras either have a charged (replaceable) proprietary battery available, or a AAA/AA non-chargeable battery pack option ready for a quick swap. While traveling internationally I've not always found the correct plugs for proprietary device chargers, but have found AAA or AA single use batteries available.
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Re: Digital camera Pireps

flyingjack wrote:Need pireps for buying a used digital camera that can accommodate a long lens for our travels. We are NOT camera people- only cell phone pics so far. Pics will mostly be from Husky so is there some type of gyro/stabilizer?? Hopefully fairly durable and simple.
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Jack

I just purchased a Canon Rebel T6 combo on Amazon for about $400.00. So far I’m really enjoying it and liking the better quality pictures. I’m tired of crappy cellphone pictures of far away targets (wildlife, aircraft and landscape) so I finally decided to go semi professional. LOL

I did some research before purchasing a Canon and this brand was the highest recommended brand by top professional photographers I know.
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I'm about to get myself a nice beginner camera as well. As best I can tell the Sony mirrorless are one of the best ways to get your feet wet. I'm leaning towards the A6000 or A6400.
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hamer wrote:I'm about to get myself a nice beginner camera as well. As best I can tell the Sony mirrorless are one of the best ways to get your feet wet. I'm leaning towards the A6000 or A6400.


Any mirrorless system (Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus, and now the big names like Canon, Nikon have offerings) is a good choice for photographers who want to actually take artistic control via lenses and exposure controls. It's definitely a hobby thing you can go deep on, and only makes sense if you want to try reasonably hard to make the camera work for you.

Otherwise there's no point to carrying heavier gear, even though the mirrorless systems tend to be slightly more compact than full SLRs.

I think a better choice for guys like Flying Jack is a good compact point-and-shoot. Something like the Sony RX100 or the Lumix LX-10 (which I use) have beautiful results and aren't much heavier than your phone.

My recommendation would be to search for one with the best zoom range. The LX-10 isn't wide enough for good cockpit shooting, but it's harder to find a modern point and shoot with a very wide field of view. They all top out around the 35mm corrected equivalent of 25mm. Maybe you don't care about wide angle. If so, disregard.

To get a shot like below you need the 35mm sensor equivalent of 14mm, which is generally only available with a detachable lens system.

Lumix GX8 + Olympus M.Zuiko Pro 7-14mm F2.8:
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Here is an inexpensive Lumix model that has a decent wide end and long end zoom: https://amzn.to/2ZCAbuh. Don't have to worry about choosing a lens, just zoom and snap. Little bigger than I prefer but a great value.
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Zzz wrote:Any mirrorless system (Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus, and now the big names like Canon, Nikon have offerings) is a good choice for photographers who want to actually take artistic control via lenses and exposure controls. It's definitely a hobby thing you can go deep on, and only makes sense if you want to try reasonably hard to make the camera work for you.

Otherwise there's no point to carrying heavier gear, even though the mirrorless systems tend to be slightly more compact than full SLRs.

I think a better choice for guys like Flying Jack is a good compact point-and-shoot. Something like the Sony RX100 or the Lumix LX-10 (which I use) have beautiful results and aren't much heavier than your phone.

My recommendation would be to search for one with the best zoom range. The LX-10 isn't wide enough for good cockpit shooting, but it's harder to find a modern point and shoot with a very wide field of view. They all top out around the 35mm corrected equivalent of 25mm. Maybe you don't care about wide angle. If so, disregard.

To get a shot like below you need the 3Any mirrorless system (Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus, and now the big names like Canon, Nikon have offerings) is a good choice for photographers who want to actually take artistic control via lenses and exposure controls. It's definitely a hobby thing you can go deep on, and only makes sense if you want to try reasonably hard to make the camera work for you.

Otherwise there's no point to carrying heavier gear, even though the mirrorless systems tend to be slightly more compact than full SLRs.

I think a better choice for guys like Flying Jack is a good compact point-and-shoot. Something like the Sony RX100 or the Lumix LX-10 (which I use) have beautiful results and aren't much heavier than your phone.

My recommendation would be to search for one with the best zoom range. The LX-10 isn't wide enough for good cockpit shooting, but it's harder to find a modern point and shoot with a very wide field of view. They all top out around the 35mm corrected equivalent of 25mm. Maybe you don't care about wide angle. If so, disregard.

To get a shot like below you need the 35mm sensor equivalent of 14mm, which is generally only available with a detachable lens system.

Lumix GX8 + Olympus M.Zuiko Pro 7-14mm F2.8:
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Here is an inexpensive Lumix model that has a decent wide end and long end zoom: https://amzn.to/2ZCAbuh. Don't have to worry about choosing a lens, just zoom and snap. Little bigger than I prefer but a great value.


Great post. I was actually looking at those two cameras before I stumbled on the A6000. My original objective was always to have something light and easy and get better photos than a cell phone camera. I thought the kit lens on the A6000 might give me the same ease of use. It's easy to go down the rabbit hole of "just a little bit more will get me..." and then your $300 camera turns into a $1000 camera (A6400). Ha.
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I borrowed my Dad's Canon G3X for pheasant hunting and other farm activity with my wife's family over Christmas. It has a 600 zoom and decent wide angle. Fairly pleased with the images it took.

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Sony RX100 VI

I tried shooting a Sony A6500 all summer from the cockpit and it ends up being too much to deal with. Much like a handgun, the easier it is to carry the more likely it will end up with you. After switching to the RX100, my camera has always been there when I need it. Has the equivalent of 200mm lens.

Pocket cameras these days are capable of so much I can't imagine fooling with DSLR or Mirrorless unless it was my profession.
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Zzz, spot on. Thanks all for opinions and info.
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TradeCraft wrote:...Pocket cameras these days are capable of so much I can't imagine fooling with DSLR or Mirrorless unless it was my profession.


The problem with pocket cameras is you spend all your time doing things and taking pictures, rather than endlessly switching lenses and trying to find settings in the menu. Seems very unrewarding.
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I would agree with looking at a "pocket camera" first before jumping into a DSLR. I don't have a recommendation as mine is generations old but you are going to get 90% of the pictures with one that you would get with the DSLR with 90% less hassle. I still use my DSLR but I pass up a lot of pictures because I just don't want to mess with it. When I do see something special then I do want all that selection and capability. However for the travel/adventure type pictures the pocket cams would be most versatile. The focal range and quality of the lenses is incredible. I would recommend going into a camera store and see what they have and recommend. See what features you like and what you won't need. You didn't mention video, some are easier for that than others. Also you will get a feel if the controls make sense to you. Most of these cameras with have some form of image stabilization built in so that will take care of the gyro part. One thing for flying is to look for a good screen on the back for live view mode. This way you can just look at the screen to compose the picture and not through the view finder. Sometimes if you are flying and taking pictures it is just easier that way. Perhaps another consideration is how easy is it to share pictures if that is what you want to do. Many of the newer cameras allow wireless uploads and away you go. You might also ask about the program to process the pictures and how far you want to get into that. For a long time I used the basic program that came from Canon but there is also a lot out there. If you narrow it down to a couple models there will be countless youtube videos reviewing and explaining features. Good luck!
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I am not a photographer, and I have a great amount of respect for people like Zzz who are.

Having said that, the iPhone 11 Pro has to be one of the most advanced cameras in the world at any price point most of us could afford- or carry in a plane of too the field. Professional photographers, videographers and cinematographers are using it.

There are companies that make all sorts of different lenses that can be attached to it (probably not great quality glass but that's just a guess), even adapters to connect it to a spotting scope.

And I guess I don't know why a long lens would be needed in a plane, I mean just move the plane closer. But again I'm not a photographer so I might be missing something here.

I'll shut up now. ;-)
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Re: Digital camera Pireps

flyingjack wrote:Need pireps for buying a used digital camera that can accommodate a long lens for our travels. We are NOT camera people- only cell phone pics so far. Pics will mostly be from Husky so is there some type of gyro/stabilizer?? Hopefully fairly durable and simple.
Thanks
Jack


Do you want a camera that is nothing more than a phone with a zoom lens? Or do you eventually want to shoot a range of different things with it such as ultra wide-angle like Zane posted, or stars/night sky?

How important is small and light? Would you give up some portability to get more performance?

What is your budget?

The Sony RX100 VI is a very nice setup. Small, light, has reasonable zoom. But it will never shoot ultra-wide or fantastic low light photography like a larger camera with an interchangeable lens.
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Re: Digital camera Pireps

I like the point and shoot (simple) suggestions as I'll carry camera in plane for spontaneous pics. NOTHING pro about this. Planning 2-3 months this winter in AZ desert and 4-6 weeks next summer in NW-MT, ID, WY and WA or ?? No schedule. Figure I should take a few pics.
Thanks to all for info.
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Hammer wrote:
TradeCraft wrote:...Pocket cameras these days are capable of so much I can't imagine fooling with DSLR or Mirrorless unless it was my profession.


The problem with pocket cameras is you spend all your time doing things and taking pictures, rather than endlessly switching lenses and trying to find settings in the menu. Seems very unrewarding.


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Re: Digital camera Pireps

Picked up an iPhone11pro over Christmas, It has a nice wide angle. Also will shoot stills in 16:9 and video in 4K. Has shutter speed ability and I didn't get the weird prop effect.

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BRD wrote:Picked up an iPhone11pro over Christmas, It has a nice wide angle. Also will shoot stills in 16:9 and video in 4K. Has shutter speed ability and I didn't get the weird prop effect.


Interesting. Since phone cameras have fixed apertures, when adjusting shutter speed the ISO for the sensor is the only other variable for correcting exposure. I wonder how Apple is accomplishing this?
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Re: Digital camera Pireps

Photography has been a hobby of mine for the last 20 years. Cameras have changed A LOT in that time to where most inexpensive pocket cameras take pretty good photos. If I were to advise someone who travels and want's a nice camera that can fit in a shirt pocket, I would suggest one of Sony RX100 models depending on your budget, or the Canon G9X Mark 2. The Canon is still on sale for $399 here:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... s=pi&pim=Y

I have the Canon's bigger brother the G7x Mark 2 and I'm very happy with it but it's not a shirt pocket camera, more for a jacket pocket.

If you need a more powerful lens, the Panasonic ZS100 has 10x optical zoom and catches my eye but I don't know if it fits in a shirt pocket.
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The standard Apple camera app doesn't have a shutter speed setting, but where I first noticed it was when it went into night mode and held the shutter open for 2 seconds when I was shooting a Christmas wreath. What?? But some of the camera apps like Camera+2 and Slow Shutter Cam have shutter speed settings for "manual" control.

https://iphonephotographyschool.com/iphone-camera-controls/
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This is the feature I encountered:
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https://blog.halide.cam/inside-the-iphone-11-camera-part-1-a-completely-new-camera-28ea5d091071
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