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EI CGR-30P Pireps Please

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Re: EI CGR-30P Pireps Please

50-60 hours seems too high to me. My IA put one in in 40 hours and it was his first time doing an EI. Of course he's done many, many dozens of others over decades. If this was an avionics shop they should be able to do it much faster if they've ever done one before.

I put mine in a year ago. I love it. Replaced 9 holes in the panel with one. I didn't do fuel levels - I retained the wing root gauges in my '56 180. But fuel totalizer and fuel flow seems to work great. Haven't made any adjustments yet. Super happy with my EI CGR-30P.

Selway wrote:Thanks! I actually already bought the unit.... just wondering if a quote if 50-60 hours to install is reasonable... it seems a bit high, but it’s a shop that I’ve worked with and was very happy with their work.
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After checking my records, I believe the install took about 30 hrs.

Again, this is from a shop that does alot of them. They charged $80 per hour on labor. In the end, the cost for the unit, installation parts and labor ended up some over $6000. ~$4000 for unit, plus ~ $2400 in labor.
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Really like mine. Fuel totalizer nice in the cub after goofing around for hours I know I can make it home. Installed new mags and had a bad noise suppressor on one. All the stray current caused the CGR to go completely haywire. Called up EI and they new exactly what the problem was. No regrets. Really like the round dial
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I put one in the Turbo-Normalized Commander 114 I used to own (6-cylinder IO-540), replacing a bunch of primary instruments that were tired and inaccurate, and adding a lot of capability that wasn't there with the steam gauges. I loved it, and would do it again in a heartbeat! It took a couple of flights to get the fuel flow dialed in (using the "auto-adjust" where you just tell it the actual quantity it took to fill, versus the calculated amount) and after that it was accurate to within a half-gallon at fill-ups.

The instrument itself is incredibly readable - in fact that's why I chose it over the "other guys". Unlike someone else reported, I had zero issued reading it in full sunlight, but it would still dim down to an acceptable level at night. Maybe the newer units were brighter than the earlier ones? I also found it pretty intuitive to use - everything seemed to just work like you'd expect it to. I pulled out the manual to look something up maybe twice during the three years I owned it...

Because of the six cylinder engine and turbo-normalizer, my installation was somewhat more complex and time-consuming than "typical", but the shop was experienced with the EI gear. It took right at 40 hours, including pretty much every option EI offered for the six-cylinder. I can see it taking more time if done by a first-timer, but I think it would also take less time for a simpler installation (that turbo really added complexity, as much of the exhaust had to come off to get to things...).
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I have one in a 182 RG and one in a Husky. I love them but you will have a cylinder show bad readings. Both of mine have one that needs work. I assume its connections. Those are really pretty poor. But I love the monitors. Just have to stay on top of them a little. I would buy them again
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FYI, EI has doubled their rebates during Sun-n-Fun, must be purchased by 4/15. A 6-cyl CGR-30P has a rebate of $800 right now and the combo has a rebate of $1600. I ordered mine through Noreen at Chief Aircraft and so far they've been great to work with. They have the updated EI rebate form on their website as well.

If you were on the fence, this is the week to buy it.
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Stolhunter wrote:I have one in a 182 RG and one in a Husky. I love them but you will have a cylinder show bad readings. Both of mine have one that needs work. I assume its connections. Those are really pretty poor. But I love the monitors. Just have to stay on top of them a little. I would buy them again


We feel the OLC-1 connectors are far superior to the slip-on style connectors as the connection is not dependent on the installer's ability to properly crimp a connector. We have found our connectors incredibly reliable when the installation instructions are followed. Proper length of wire stripped and overlapped, proper torque applied to the set screw and thread lock applied to keep the set screw from backing out. However, the installer is not married to the OLC-1 connectors and is free to use a suitable alternative.
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Darata, you mention applying loctite to the olc-1 connector screw. I am currently installing a cgr-30p/c combo in my plane. My mechanic is incredibly skeptical about the olc-1 connector as he has had them fail, but we both have read and reread the directions for the connector that were supplied with the kit. In those directions is specifically says loctite is not needed as the elasticity of the wires will keep tension on the screw and keep it from backing out. in light of that, should we or should we not be using loctite?
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Thread lock is not a requirement, but it is recommended. If you would like to PM me your e-mail address, I will be happy to send you our revised OLC-1 instructions. Additionally, the set screw should be torqued to 4-5 in lbs.
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They have a $1000 rebate on these now through the end of the month. Looks like my wallet is about to get a bit lighter.....


Edit.....Looks like the rebate is only for the basic without MP, combo or MVP-50. Bummer, the premium with all the functions for 3k wouldn't have been to hateful
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I just finished the install of my CGR-30P, it took all of 30 hours. I am very happy with the end result but as others have mentioned I am not a big fan of the connectors. They seem to work ok but during the installation process I had one connector sheer off the wire inside itself which made me skeptical of them. Also they are going to be a huge PITA if I need to pull a jug or especially if I have to pull the engine. I was really tempted towards installing them with molex type connectors and kinda wish I did.

I have also installed the JPI 830 and that install I thought was much easier. I also like the fact that with the JPI, everything is done in the display head, no need to mount additional boxes. Lastly the display on the 830 is a bit bigger and I think easier to read. I did molex type connectors on that install and not only is the end result a little more clean looking it also is going to make maintenance easier in that plane down the road. But the 830 is not certified as a primary instrument.

With that being said the display on the CGR is very nice, it’s bright and easy to read. The sending units all appear to be very high quality, exept for maybe the manifold pressure transducer, that seems a little wonky. I would buy/install the CGR-30P again, but if I were to do it again I’d use some other type of connector.
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I just installed the 30P/30C combo in my plane along with a pretty complete firewall forward. With everything taken apart in the front the install was pretty easy and straight forward. A few extra boxes for this and that but nothing too absurd. No idea how many hours it all was but I am guessing it was under 40. And now that it is installed, I really like the set up. I wish I had arranged the screens a little differently, but I still like it a lot.

Two big down sides are the connectors and the egt probes. On the first flight an egt probe went out. We checked the connector and it appeared fine so we tightened the set screw a little more and hoped for the best. Second flight the probe worked better but still very chattery, and a second probe went out. Replaced both those connectors with standard knife connectors. Third flight things improved a little on those two probes but still not correct and a third probe went out.

Checked resistance across the three failed probes. Two read 0/infinite the third read 6 ohms. Ei says less than 5. Ei would not send me new probes on warranty, I needed to send mine in have them tested and if they were bad I would et new probes....a week or longer wait on a brand new product, effectively grounding the plane. My local avionics shop sensing my frustration gave me thee new probes and said they would charge me only if my old probes didn't meet warranty at ei. New probes connected with knife connectors seem to work great.

Long and short of it... The CGR 30 is awesome, great screen, features, and the round shape looks great in the panel. Probes/connectors are apparently hit or miss. Three failed probes in three hours of flight is a little excessive. Especially since ei wasnt really accommodating on getting me back in the air quickly. A solid product, that I would probably buy again. But would buy it from a local shop with excellent customer service to assist in case of premature probe failure.

Hopefully the new probes and the three old (4 hours time in service) probes have a good long life. If they do I will be quite happy with my purchases in the long run.
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Helio295 wrote:I just installed the 30P/30C combo in my plane along with a pretty complete firewall forward. With everything taken apart in the front the install was pretty easy and straight forward. A few extra boxes for this and that but nothing too absurd. No idea how many hours it all was but I am guessing it was under 40. And now that it is installed, I really like the set up. I wish I had arranged the screens a little differently, but I still like it a lot.

Two big down sides are the connectors and the egt probes. On the first flight an egt probe went out. We checked the connector and it appeared fine so we tightened the set screw a little more and hoped for the best. Second flight the probe worked better but still very chattery, and a second probe went out. Replaced both those connectors with standard knife connectors. Third flight things improved a little on those two probes but still not correct and a third probe went out.

Checked resistance across the three failed probes. Two read 0/infinite the third read 6 ohms. Ei says less than 5. Ei would not send me new probes on warranty, I needed to send mine in have them tested and if they were bad I would et new probes....a week or longer wait on a brand new product, effectively grounding the plane. My local avionics shop sensing my frustration gave me thee new probes and said they would charge me only if my old probes didn't meet warranty at ei. New probes connected with knife connectors seem to work great.

Long and short of it... The CGR 30 is awesome, great screen, features, and the round shape looks great in the panel. Probes/connectors are apparently hit or miss. Three failed probes in three hours of flight is a little excessive. Especially since ei wasnt really accommodating on getting me back in the air quickly. A solid product, that I would probably buy again. But would buy it from a local shop with excellent customer service to assist I'm case of premature probe failure.

Hopefully the new probes and the three old (4 hours time in service) probes have a good long life. If they do I will be quite happy with my purchases in the long run.


Actually, that report does not speak well about either the quality of the product or the company's product support.

I'd be pretty pissed if I had three probes fail.....in the first few hundred hours. I've used a lot of JPI stuff, and only failure was a fuel flow transducer. That after 500 hours in service. Called JPI and received replacement in the mail in three days. No charge.

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mtv wrote:Actually, that report does not speak well about either the quality of the product or the company's product support.

I'd be pretty pissed if I had three probes fail.....in the first few hundred hours. I've used a lot of JPI stuff, and only failure was a fuel flow transducer. That after 500 hours in service. Called JPI and received replacement in the mail in three days. No charge.

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Indeed, I was not very pleased. EI only said, "ship us the probes, if we find them defective we will mail you new ones" Local avionics shop said something similar, but I have a pretty good relationship with them and they finally agreed to test the probe resistance against EI specs. Apparently my local shop figured it they failed EI spec once they would at EI also so it was a low risk option to give me new probes and assume EI would replace the old ones. Superb customer service at Merrill Field Instruments!


Not the best customer service plan I don't feel from EI since their default was to further exacerbate my frustration by grounding me for a week or longer. But the unit itself is very nice, and if the probe issue has been resolved I will be quite happy in the long run. I am told by some that I can expect to replace EGT probes at a rate of about one per year. Seems high, but nopefully it wont be that often. EI does offer two types of probe, fast respnse and robust. Maybe the robust have better longvity?
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I also just had the CGR-30P/30C combo installed. Install was 38 hours and some of that time was removing the ADF, VOR, original gauges and making block off plates to clean up the panel. I only have about 5 hours on it but so far I am impressed. Easy to read in all light conditions. Considering the 1k rebate, I'd do it again. After never having a good engine monitor, I know I'll never have a plane without one again.


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Does the 30C combo just add another screen so more data is displayed, or are there extra features available in the second display that aren't in the single 30P?
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1:1 Scale wrote:Does the 30C combo just add another screen so more data is displayed, or are there extra features available in the second display that aren't in the single 30P?



Yes it is a second screen which allows more primary instruments to be displayed. I don't think there are any additional features on the 30C, but it is nice being able to remove all the factory gauges and having everything on 2 screens.
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Cool, that's what I was thinking, but hadn't taken the time to read through and comprehend all the features and options. I'd really like to clean up the right side of the panel, then I have an Insight engine monitor, tach, and manifold/fuel pressure gauges that could be consolidated.
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