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Experimental and high risk banned after crash?

This was posted on another forum and amazes me such a pilot hater can hold a position in government that can impact airport operations. Check this out, I thought the word needs to get out before the airplane haters take control.

A Velocity kit plane crashed after taking off of KVGT, North Las Vegas. The plane had 5 hours of phase I. Tragically it hit a house and killed the pilot and two occupants of the home.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=8883721

Youtube 11 min raw footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbnVKoN3rpM

The airport manager Randall Walker held a press conference saying he thinks they should ban student pilot training and experimental aircraft from ALL urban airports. He thinks that these HIGH RISK operations should fly out of rural airports. I guess next airplane crash he will just ban all airplanes, that should make it real safe. He than compared how safe McCarran was with out experimental airplanes or student pilots.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/Story.asp?s=8887402

PLEASE WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND SENATOR.

This will make you Mad. From 00:22 to about 08:00 of the 27 minute video Mr Randall Walker, airport manager and hater of pilot's, training and experimental planes speaks. [color="Red"](Your really have to hear this, after a short intro at the top, he comes on and talks for about 7 minutes, than there are Q's and A's. You need to listen to this. He talks about HOW IF HE WAS ALLOWED HE WOULD DO THIS AND THAT. He is clearly mad that the Fed Gov controls airports. He thinks he should control all Fed regulations he wants as he sees fit. He is going to ask to talk to our (Nevada) Congressional Delegation. He is trying to make political hay, self aggrandizing.)

"....we should manage these (airport) operations for the benefit of every body and not necessarily for the benefit of the pilots."

Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs2AyS_ds3s&feature=user

(Call the las vegas city council, city GOV. If they get flooded with calls at least they may shut him up. After a tragic accident he uses this news conference to propose his agenda, an idea of how federal aviation laws should be written and he KING of the airport, an airport paid with FED TAX DOLLARS. He goes onto say he should look into disciplinary action the FAA has takes against pilots. Is he running for Mayor? Head of FAA?)


Mr Walker the manager states the fact he has no authority to ban experimental planes per federal law (thankfully and true). He says experimental aircraft and flight training is HIGH RISK. No doubt his effort to ban them in the past has made him aware of the law, when the EAA defended our rights last year. Las Vegas FSDO tried to ban airspace from experimental planes. So he is using this tragedy to support this agenda again.

Keep in mind these airports take Fed funds (our tax money). Also Mr Walker resigned from management of McCarran airport in 2006, is a city accountant. How you can have an airport manager that is ANTI aviation and pilots is beyond me. I don't know if he is appointed, hired or elected to the position. I don't know if this is his own thing or he is representing some group that put him in that position.

No doubt North Las Vegas airport has been around much longer than the neighborhood that sprung up around it. So when the rural airport has population grows up around it, do you have to move further out?

This is not new in Las Vegas area, North Las Vegas has been trying to ban planes for the airport (REALLY HOW IRONIC). It is like a car maker or gas station trying to get cars off the street. He also said in a conference that the federal aviation laws favored pilots too much and they should include the community......... REALLY?

Write the airport and register you outrage. When flying into Las Vegas this is the place to land. Here is the contact.

Las Vegas Commissioner Clark County - Collins
Send email to: [email protected]
702-455-3500 (phone number but email will be requested)

Mr. Randall Walker
Address: 2730 Airport Dr, Ste. 101
N. Las Vegas, NV 89032
United States of America
(Randy Walker Office)
Telephone: 702-261-3806
Email: [email protected]
Web site: http://www.vgt.aero

Nevada Congressman and Senator (may not accept emails from persons with non Nevada address?), but you can write your own reps.
http://reid.senate.gov/nevada/NVDelegation.cfm (senate)
http://ensign.senate.gov/contact.htm (senate)
http://berkley.house.gov/ (North Las Vegas US Representative Congress)

Don't think Reid will be taking this Airport manager but drop his office a line, as well as Ensign and Berkley.


We have to pull together. If this was a gun ban or an issue with a minority you would have mass protest.

ONCE THEY TAKE ONE AIRPORT AWAY THEN IT WILL BE A MATTER OF TIME TILL MORE FOLLOW.

Some TV coverage (may have to use search function on site for coverage of velocity crash)
http://www.ktnv.com/
http://www.klas-tv.com/
http://www.kvbc.com/



Take the posters comments for what they are worth, I may not totally agree, it was a bit disturbing listening to some of the statements and such made.

There are tragic deaths on highways everyday, no one is trying to make it som only the sports cars are allowed in the left lane and all the prius', civics, etc must stay on the right.

He keeps pounding in the point of "Pilot Error", how many traffic fatalities happen in North Las Vegas due to driver error? Maybe we should pass legislation to control that. Only the good drivers are allowed in Norh Las Vegas, all the bad drivers have to stay in Jersey?

People like this scare me, I can only hope he has no influence on legislation that limits my ability to fly.

Sorry if this seems like a rant.
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Another good reason NOT to go to Las Vegas and give my hard earned money to that town!!!! We all need to stop people like this!! What's being done about all the shootings, killings, drugs, and car accidents in that town. Will that character ban cars/trucks in that town after x amount of fatal traffic accidents??
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The only thing that will ease the minds of the general public is for planes to stop crashing. This isn't a partisan issue, because at the core of the matter is the scared residents of surrounding neighborhoods who are seeing aircraft plummeting into rooftops. Frankly, that's enough to make anyone nervous. Even as a pilot I wouldn't want my house aligned with any runway centerline. But, these people bought the homes, they should live with it.

This is a very serious threat to GA. Noise restrictions, Sierra Club BS, terrorist fears...all that pales in comparison to the hysteria of shit falling from the sky on peoples' kids.

AOPA needs to do something, anything to start spinning this as a fluke and put a positive spin on the safety record of GA. Try to get inside the mind of these people...they've got no appreciation or sense of awe for flight like we do, there is no appeal. No representative or senator in any state, Democrat or Republican can ignore people who feel physically and psychologically terrorized by little planes. That's bad.
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AOPA needs to do something, anything to start spinning this as a fluke and put a positive spin on the safety record of GA. Try to get inside the mind of these people...they've got no appreciation or sense of awe for flight like we do, there is no appeal. No representative or senator in any state, Democrat or Republican can ignore people who feel physically and psychologically terrorized by little planes. That's bad.


Why does AOPA have to do something ? that guy needs a good ass kicking from a bunch of towns folks.

Most airports are ran by the bean counter cuz no one else wants the job, and most of them want to divert as many funds away from the airport as possible.

That dead beat is just show boating for the next career change. The Military has been wanting to close NLV for about 5 years. Next he will start comparing the job he cant do there to the one he had his thumb print on at MCCarran oh and it will be someone else's fault for the problems at hand.

Truly sad indeed............And what was the Phase one parameters on the certificate lots of unanswered questions
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I think a few airliners have crashed into residential areas also. Is anybody talking of banning the airlines? I always think about United flight 232----the turbine wheel landed in a corn field not far from me before the plane crash landed at Sioux City.
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mr scout wrote:Why does AOPA have to do something ? that guy needs a good ass kicking from a bunch of towns folks.


I agree on the ass kicking part. More airports are plagued by bad management and county leeches trying to get a piece of the cookie. I was not aware that McCarran had disallowed training operations. How is that possible when they're likely accepting FAA subsidies?

I implored AOPA, or EAA, or some advocacy group to do "something" because more often than not, they're the best equipped to address PR issues that involved fear and loathing of small planes with professionalism and through channels that actually get results. Although a grass roots operation to oust this guy from airport management would probably help the most, to paraphrase Mr. Scout.
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Do a google search on 'car crashes into home' or 'car crashes into house', etc. Apparently it's a fairly popular thing to do.
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I did contact AOPA regarding this and the email reply I received...

Thanks very much. We're aware of Mr. Walker's comments from last Friday and in fact have a pretty long history of having to deal with him. Both we in the media relations department and the staff in the airports department know about his latest tirade and are working with local pilots to deal with it.


Sounds like I'm not the first and this isn't the only stupid comment this pilot hater has made. I agree there are a lot of non-pilots out there scared of all kinds of crazy stuff, some real, some not. Many of these people are in influential positions, this guy is the director of airport operations and he is classifying training and solo flight as "High Risk", people figure he knows what he is talking about or he wouldn't have that position.

The best thing we can do is educate who we can when asked about this stuff with factual information, and support the advocacy groups like AOPA and EAA that have the contacts and people in the right places to help educate people with real statistics and put them into perspective. If you compared the number of innocent people killed in their homes by a GA airplane compared to an automobile it would be interesting to see the results.
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hooznext wrote: If you compared the number of innocent people killed in their homes by a GA airplane compared to an automobile it would be interesting to see the results.


I don't think it matters how ridiculous the ratio. The general public is familiar with cars. They know how they operate and what they do. Airplanes are still very mysterious manned missiles to most.
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While I was reading the NTSB accident report, Oh wait, "NSTB" or what ever that website is :lol: :lol: !! I noticed the pilot of that aircraft held many rating's and certificates including Airline Transport. Didn't say how many hours in that particular aircraft though. But sounds like a very experienced pilot. Does that make him and other pilot's with over 6000 hrs a "High Risk"? Probably not! Is there any deference between an Experimental aircraft and a restored 1958 C182 with a new/rebuilt engine? I really don't think so.

I really think this Mr. Walker character should have gathered all the facts about this accident and the pilot before he went on a fire storm!! :twisted:
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The airworthyness certificate for experimentals has language to the effect that except for landing and takeoff, experimentals are not supposed to fly over densely populated areas. I think it is also stated in the FARs as well. I'm too lazy to go look it up. I do take this seriously, and avoid flying over towns when I can. Since I don't like big airports anyway, it doesn't crimp my style significantly. (It's pretty hard to crimp style when you don't have any.)

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How many people are killed by drunk drivers every year no matter if they are other drivers, pedestrians, or maybe even in their homes?
Do they ban cars that drunk drivers may drive? Do they restrict drunk drivers from driving in populated areas? Do they pick at the drunk drivers the way they do pilots who might crash into someone else?
A drunk killing another....unless somebody influential is involved.....doesn't get written up on front page.
Drunk driver crashing is common place, crashing airplanes gives wackos something to rally against...it just came out of the sky...!
Most of the airports that I fly in and out of regularly appreciate that GA is their life blood and work with pilots. Yes there are accidents, incidences, and whatever......we are all human.
Mr. Walker needs to get a life!!
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OK, here's the rub: Everyone needs and has an automobile. Nobody wants additional restricitve laws applied to automobiles because people know it would affect them as individuals.

As far as much of the general public is concerned NOBODY needs a small airplane and people like us are just a bunch of rich bas+@rds having fun, making noise, wasting gasoline, and putting everyone else at risk.

No amount of PR will ever put these misconceptions to rest, although each of us should consider ourselves ambassadors to the non-flying public and act accordingly...which is in our own best interests. The reason it's hopeless is because we're fighting one of the most pervasive and destructive forces in our society: "Class Envy". It's an ugly thing that is not only natural human behavior, but has been so forcefully encouraged by one of our two main political parties for so long that it can never be eradicated.
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Wow, good thing this public mindset didn't exist in the early 1900's. Our wacky, experimental heros Orv and Wil would have been locked up to save society from certain doom. :shock:

I really wish we could just do away with the "Experimental" category. It's just too broad in scope to encompass what types of aircraft typically are being labeled as such. I mean, the RV8 I built was mainstream, as are most every RV, Lancair, Rebel, Kitfox, Rans, et al. These PROVEN aircraft are typically built to VERY high standards, with oversight from Tech Counselors, former builders and licensed mechanics. Where would light GA be without Vangrunsven, Schlitter, Rutan, Neibauer....

The enemy is at the gate, and, this time, he is (supposedly) one of us. (Walker) :evil: :evil:
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Re: Experimental and high risk banned after crash?

This is not new in Las Vegas area, North Las Vegas has been trying to ban planes for the airport (REALLY HOW IRONIC). It is like a car maker or gas station trying to get cars off the street. He also said in a conference that the federal aviation laws favored pilots too much and they should include the community......... REALLY?


He keeps pounding in the point of "Pilot Error", how many traffic fatalities happen in North Las Vegas due to driver error? Maybe we should pass legislation to control that. Only the good drivers are allowed in Norh Las Vegas, all the bad drivers have to stay in Jersey?

This afternoon a Piper Navajo went into a house near North Las Vages
Airport -second crash in less than a week. All the arm chair experts want to close the airport to to protect the people from those terrible airplanes
that fly over there golf courses and shopping centers.More news (?) at 11.
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Very good letter! Just goes to show how irresponsible and arrogant that Mr Walker character was with is immediate statements after the accident in N. Las Vegas last Friday.
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I wonder what our poster child of aviation retardation, Mr. Walker, will have to say about this CERTIFIED crash in Vegas?


http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/au ... egas-home/


It's tragic again, but almost ironic beyond belief.
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