Since Dynon has STC'ed their Skyview system in a couple of certified aircraft, and is planning on adding more, would that make it easier to get a field approval for an aircraft that isn't on their short list?

I'm currently working on restoring/rebuilding my Maule, and I have a couple of different ideas that I like for the panel. I think the Skyview would be a light, very capable way to go that would presumably bring a good bit of value to the table if/when it comes time to sell. The first plan was to keep the steam airspeed, altimeter, vsi and turn and bank, and add two Aerovonics AV-30's (assuming the certification timing works out), EI CGR-30C, an IFD-440 and ADS-B transponder.

Tried this early 2018 when they announced.

It actually makes it harder. Since there is an STC the FAA would rather you go that route once your aircraft is on the AML. Aka wait.
They don’t want to waste their time working on a one time approval when an AML addition may be around the corner.

Plus. Dynon will Not sell you the PMA version of their gear unless you also purchase their STC for which you do not have an aircraft serial number to give them. So, even if you could get approval, there isn’t a way to buy the PMAd parts so, you need to get the experimental parts approved... which is even less likely.

In the end, I gave up and went with steam gauges and an MVP 50.

I talked to them last week about my 182, which is expected this year on their approval list. I decided to do the MVP-50 and focus on the right side of the panel for now with maybe a transponder like the 335 which is a stand-alone solution for ADSB.. Surely the skyview will add some competition and who knows what else will be hitting the market soon.....

pilot wrote:I talked to them last week about my 182, which is expected this year on their approval list. I decided to do the MVP-50 and focus on the right side of the panel for now with maybe a transponder like the 335 which is a stand-alone solution for ADSB.. Surely the skyview will add some competition and who knows what else will be hitting the market soon.....

The 182 was expected on their list in late 2017, then 2018, then ... who knows. It will add competition, but I think they were caught off guard by how onerous it is to approve something like this for certificated aircraft. I was all hot for Skyview when it came out too and maybe one day it'll make sense in a future airplane I own, but in the end I had to choose other equipment.

I will say that whenever they do manage to get this approved, the "instant panel" they're selling will be very appealing, and the cost is likely in the vicinity of what you'd spend to piecemeal it (like I did, with new panel fabrication). The labor is almost certainly less with the Dynon way simply because it all just connects up and works.

FWIW Dynon's new D3 "pocket panel" has synthetic vision, plus ectronic horizon / DG / etc.

It seems like as a company gains experience with the approval process, and maybe as the FAA gets more experience with the company, the speed with which models are added to an AML seems to accelerate. Examples are the be-all, do-all engine monitors. Read the AML for them, and it's incredible the number of models listed.

Now, at least one version of the Dynon device is intended for IFR operation, so that may take longer, but consider that engine monitoring is actually fairly important, and look at those AMLs.....

So, hopefully, as the FAA gets more comfortable with the company and the product, the approvals will increase.

Maybe.

MTV

mtv wrote:It seems like as a company gains experience with the approval process, and maybe as the FAA gets more experience with the company, the speed with which models are added to an AML seems to accelerate. Examples are the be-all, do-all engine monitors. Read the AML for them, and it's incredible the number of models listed.

Now, at least one version of the Dynon device is intended for IFR operation, so that may take longer, but consider that engine monitoring is actually fairly important, and look at those AMLs.....

So, hopefully, as the FAA gets more comfortable with the company and the product, the approvals will increase.

Maybe.

MTV

Speaking to Dynon earlier this year, that's their plan. Refine the AML addition process and get more aircraft on the list. This was also their reason for doing the Bonanza second and not doing the 180.
The 172 and 180 are very similar and would gain them not much while the Bonanza gets them a whole different aircraft type. After that, a twin something.

The other thing that's slowing it down is, it's not just the flight instruments in the panel. They are getting the whole shebang approved. Fight instruments, Engine instruments, Auto pilot, Comm radio the works and all for IFR.... a one stop shop.

It's ambitious but when they finally crack that nut, they will be far more affordable and just as capable as a G1000.

Bagarre wrote:It actually makes it harder. Since there is an STC the FAA would rather you go that route once your aircraft is on the AML. Aka wait.
They don’t want to waste their time working on a one time approval when an AML addition may be around the corner.

Plus. Dynon will Not sell you the PMA version of their gear unless you also purchase their STC for which you do not have an aircraft serial number to give them. So, even if you could get approval, there isn’t a way to buy the PMAd parts so, you need to get the experimental parts approved... which is even less likely.

Well, that's unfortunate, but not unexpected. In reality, it would be icing on the cake, but I think my initial plan will keep me happy for a long time. It would just be nice to get everything done at once.