What I want to see is a list of where people are missing. That way when I Fuck up I can tell them I went in to take a closer look for Bill, or Bob, or John, and that fucking Lycoming just up and quit.

Come on we have been over the vest thing a hundred times. Yes I always wear one, yes I always dress for the climate I am in, yes I have a PLB

Now will somebody please attach the link to missing persons.........

Grasstrip,

Actually, Sparky Imeson's survival vest wasn't even close to the airplane he was in--it was draped over the seat back of HIS airplane, parked back at the airport.

Even worse, had the airplane not burned....

MTV

mr scout wrote:Come on we have been over the vest thing a hundred times. Yes I always wear one, yes I always dress for the climate I am in, yes I have a PLB

Easy there big dog, not all of us know it all.

Vests are nice and necessary, but I always have a Didi Mau (sp) bag sitting beside of me. It can be as small as a shaving kit bag and in it you have those things that can turn a survival situation into a camping trip, Like stoves, food etc. that don't fit in a vest. The idea came from Vietnamn where surviving a helicopter crash could mean weeks of Escape and Evading. I'm not saying take anything out of your vest or don't wear it, supplement it. Also in cold weather we got used to dressing for the cold and not turning up the heat.

a64pilot wrote:Vests are nice and necessary, but I always have a Didi Mau (sp) bag sitting beside of me. It can be as small as a shaving kit bag and in it you have those things that can turn a survival situation into a camping trip, Like stoves, food etc. that don't fit in a vest. The idea came from Vietnamn where surviving a helicopter crash could mean weeks of Escape and Evading. I'm not saying take anything out of your vest or don't wear it, supplement it. Also in cold weather we got used to dressing for the cold and not turning up the heat.

I also have a bright orange .50 ammo can attached to my seat. If it and I can make it out I will be much more comfortable than with just what I carry. I have spent 5 days on what I have on me before. So the addition of the other supplies would be an added bonus.
I would bet there is a whole bunch here that cant take 5 days in winter with what they fly with. Let alone what they have on there person.

And bcpstudent.......Try using the search feature then you can read it, and the rest of us can discuss new problems and solutions. Better yet come up with something new yourself. Then we can discuss that

I get a nice boxed fruitcake every christmas that goes right under the left seat. Enough calories for, like, a month in the arctic, and boozy enough to gnaw pieces off even at -50F

mr scout wrote:

a64pilot wrote:Vests are nice and necessary, but I always have a Didi Mau (sp) bag sitting beside of me. It can be as small as a shaving kit bag and in it you have those things that can turn a survival situation into a camping trip, Like stoves, food etc. that don't fit in a vest. The idea came from Vietnamn where surviving a helicopter crash could mean weeks of Escape and Evading. I'm not saying take anything out of your vest or don't wear it, supplement it. Also in cold weather we got used to dressing for the cold and not turning up the heat.

I also have a bright orange .50 ammo can attached to my seat. If it and I can make it out I will be much more comfortable than with just what I carry. I have spent 5 days on what I have on me before. So the addition of the other supplies would be an added bonus.
I would bet there is a whole bunch here that cant take 5 days in winter with what they fly with. Let alone what they have on there person.

And bcpstudent.......Try using the search feature then you can read it, and the rest of us can discuss new problems and solutions. Better yet come up with something new yourself. Then we can discuss that

I gota say that's how I found this web site is from a google search on survival vest's.

mtv wrote:Grasstrip,

Actually, Sparky Imeson's survival vest wasn't even close to the airplane he was in--it was draped over the seat back of HIS airplane, parked back at the airport.

Even worse, had the airplane not burned....

MTV

Yeah, I misunderstood his account of what happened when he referred to putting it on a seatback or having it in the back near the end of the article. At the beginning of the article when he said he put it on a seat back, I thought it was in the accident aircraft.

One thing I wonder, he said JC retrieved his vest which had a VHF radio in it, before they left. The obviously had means to build a fire. What happened to the radio after they crashed? Did his vest go up with the plane?

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low rider wrote:oh boy...............Long pause

Yuppers! Another guy with a Maule!

Welcome James!

james wrote: I have found the previous comments in this forum interesting and informative. This has already been a long winter here in Spokane, and I look forward to getting out of the office this week to fly my M-4.

James
Spokane

I think we will find your comments interesting and informative.........

Welcome

James Black? Nice to see an old freight hauler here on the forum. With the weather the way it's been in Spokane, you need to get some skis on that Maule! Are planning to put it on floats in the future - it would be way too nice with Felts having a water runway right in front of your office.

Maybe not an FAA jurisdiction since it's not a designated landing area... but will be interested in the information you glean from this case regarding gravel bar landings in this area of the river as well as float operations in the Salmon and Snake River drainages. When I was trying to figure out myself where I could and couldn't land my float plane in Idaho, it was very confusing as the various government controlling agencies were not in agreement with one another. With different government groups claiming control of the river canyons, the air above the water, the water in river itself and others the river banks and stream beds it is very confusing to the average pilot who we should ask permission from when it comes to things like gravel bars and float ops. Assume you might be having discussion with some of the other alphabet agencies as part of your investigation?
We would appreciate any additional insight you are able to give us, James.
Matt

P.S. What did you find out about Rogersburg?

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Update for summer 2025: this story has a happy ending after all.



My new friend Rich has rebuilt this F21A, the crashed airplane from OP’s link, in Cloquet, MN.

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Self moderation?

Not expected, but could be quite a good thing.

That sure looks like a nice Tcraft F21. Mine is 05S and was on Baumann amphibs (sold) and TrickAir skis. Almost a Super Cub beater.

Jim

Tcraftf21 wrote:That sure looks like a nice Tcraft F21. Mine is 05S and was on Baumann amphibs (sold) and TrickAir skis. Almost a Super Cub beater.

Jim

It's a super nice rebuild. I sat in it and my only complaint is something that I fear is standard for the F21, which is even less legroom. The hinged toe pedals eat up a little more room. I think I prefer the simple rudder pedals and heel brakes for that reason.

Zzz wrote:

Tcraftf21 wrote:That sure looks like a nice Tcraft F21. Mine is 05S and was on Baumann amphibs (sold) and TrickAir skis. Almost a Super Cub beater.

Jim

It's a super nice rebuild. I sat in it and my only complaint is something that I fear is standard for the F21, which is even less legroom. The hinged toe pedals eat up a little more room. I think I prefer the simple rudder pedals and heel brakes for that reason.

It's definitely an issue. With the F22 I was building, I went with the plain old Tcraft pedals and hyd. heel, who knows if that'll ever be finished. I've just recently started a Badlands Traveler build, and I'm set on staying with heel brakes on this one also. It's all I've ever known.