Hello everyone, this is my first post on this site. Hope it goes good for everyone. We are going to have another flyin at Hansen Airfield in Washington State in the summer. Dates will be posted. We had a two day flyin this year and it was a good time for all. 25 SuperCub came and landed in fields, river bars sat around campfires and had a good time. Next year will be a bigger event with a roast pig, prizes and some venders that will talk about there products ect. Hope to see you there.
For more information E-mail me at [email protected]. Bill Ingerson

That sounds fun. When you get the dates hammered down Bill, let me know and I will add them to the Upcoming Events calendar that I am going to build. Include the airport identifier too.

Z

I overflew Hanson's today & eyeballed the Supercub fly-in action. Not too much going on- maybe a dozen airplanes, mostly Cubs, but it looked like a Maule, a 170, and a nosedragger Cessna were thrown in for good measure. Far cry from the 25 or more airplanes the website predicted.
Thought about landing but the above website said there was a $10 a head gate fee, whether arriving via car or airplane, so I blew it off. I saw what looked like distances chalked off at midfield, musta been for a STOL contest. No dount Jerry Burr won- looked like his White Hawk was there.
Hope some more planes showed up after that.

Eric

zero.one.victor wrote:I overflew Hanson's today & eyeballed the Supercub fly-in action. Not too much going on- maybe a dozen airplanes, mostly Cubs, but it looked like a Maule, a 170, and a nosedragger Cessna were thrown in for good measure. Far cry from the 25 or more airplanes the website predicted.
Thought about landing but the above website said there was a $10 a head gate fee, whether arriving via car or airplane, so I blew it off. I saw what looked like distances chalked off at midfield, musta been for a STOL contest. No dount Jerry Burr won- looked like his White Hawk was there.
Hope some more planes showed up after that.

Eric

Good job Eric - fly by at 500' then rush off to post a snotty message about an event you never attended and so have no idea as to what happened or didn't. If you'd like to file a claim we will take up a collection to reimburse you for the gas you wasted to gather the "facts" about our fly in. And thanks for not stopping in because the only thing missing was sour grapes but I'm sure you would have fixed that.

Gunny,

I don't think Eric was bashing the fly-in as bad as you think, he was just reporting what he saw. On the other hand, Eric, even a thinly attended fly-in beats a day polishing your airplane by yourself.

Gunny, why don't you ignore Eric's message, and tell us how the fly-in went? Post some pics.

Thanks,
Zane

zero.one.victor wrote: Thought about landing but the above website said there was a $10 a head gate fee, whether arriving via car or airplane, so I blew it off.
Eric

I'd rather admit bein' nervous about landing on an 800' runway than bein' too cheap to pay a ten buck registration fee.

Gunny, Improvise. Adapt. Overcome....

Gunny, I didn't intend for my post to be "snotty", sorry you interpreted it that way. I wasn't putting down your event, just stating what I saw. I hope everybody had a good time.
Please note that I'm NOT flaming away here. After reading your post a couple times, I'm hoping that you didn't mean it to be the attack on me that it seems to be, just as I didn't mean for my post to be "snotty". I'm referring to the "thanks for not stopping..." bit.

Eric

Save your breath Eric, Gunny is GONE. He took all his posts with him.

I thought I heard someone over at the Supercub site say that the runway was 800'. They musta missed the 1 on the keyboard. Sounds like those that made it had a good time. We had other commitments (Maule Fly-in at Minam) otherwise we we might have dropped in - not withstanding the short runway rumor since we were heavy with camping gear. We also threw a lot of money at the gas pump this week and that was a factor. Greg said he had a good time with you guys in his Maule.

Kinda missed Gunny at Lands Inn (wanted to talk to him about the Fajita Fly-in and Shearer), and hate to see him leave here this way.

I was involved in some of the organization of the event (though Bill Ingerson did an incredible job). I haven't talked to Gunny, I suspect that Eric's comment about the gate fee was what got him.

We debated just doing donations vs. asking for some nominal amount to cover costs (and knowing that it wouldn't cover it without additional donations).

Risk was that people who were curious wouldn't just 'stop by' and see all of the things going on. Or they would be offended that it was a 'fee based' event. Or want an accounting of all of the costs before being willing to contribute.

The event was great, lighter attendance than hoped influenced by a number of factors. Saturday's events were a hoot (flour bombing and short field T/O and Landing). Plus the roast pig, bluegrass band, and spontaneous rides out to the local gravel bars for kids and interested adults alike who weren't pilots or owners.

I hope Bill does the event again next year and that we can spread the word here and other places that all are welcome.

Marc

I'm totally unopposed to a fee for a fly-in of this sort. The people putting it on have to be able to cover their costs for hosting the event. We had a fee structure in place for the Maule fly-in (or should I say Minam lodge had one?), although I don't think anyone was charged for just dropping in for a couple of hours. Some folks did stop by to have a meal and were charged accordingly for their food.

Bill Ingerson is not and should not be chastised one darn bit for trying to cover his costs for putting on this fly-in. Several factors were working against a strong turn out for this fly-in; weather, other fly-ins the same weekend, the Fajita fly-in just two weeks before, and the current high price of fuel - both auto and aviation.

Turn out for the Maule fly-in suffered too, for some of the same reasons. Some of the guys and gals just couldn't make it because of early summer family commitments, but we had fourteen aircraft that had signed up and made deposits to attend and they never showed up.

I would have paid $20 easy to drive in and hang out, watch the contests, and eat pig on a golf course quality strip. Cool that guys like Bill are around to organize stuff like this. I say we wrap this thread up and look forward to next year.

Zane, nice site, this is my first post.
For the record:
1. 12 aircraft was a far cry from the 25+ we were hoping to get, 01V, sorry you didn't stop and make it 13, you missed the chance to meet some nice folks.
2. NOBODY got met at the runway or driveway with a demand for $10. We asked that all who attended pay that, but it was strickly on the honor system. I saw a lot of people who were VERY HONORABLE to the tune of $20+ and pitching in later for the food donation jar.
3. Jerry Burr did not win the STOL contest because he was kind enough to stay on the ground and run the damn thing! Too bad, we all wanted to see how it was really done.
4. Zero-One-Victor, your original post did sound berating, but you will have to excuse us local guys from SC.ORG, guess we are smarting over losing a bunch of $$$ on this years attempt too. I suspect most of it will come out of Bill Ingerson's pocket again, but he is too classy a guy to come clean about it.
5. 01V - if you are at AWO for the flyin next month and you see a cream/red PA-12, 3719M, come by and introduce yourself. My hand will be extended for a shake. NWEAA will have already pulled the $20 out of both our hands by them.
Regards,
Chris Duros

Chris,

Good post. How does a guy named Chris get a username like Mikey?

Z

Check his tail number.

Chris and I fly a pair of -12s, 3964M and 3719M.

Marc

haha duh!

more Washington mafia...

Airplanes have a way of becoming part of the family at our house, I think it has something to do with kids. 19M has been affectionatly know as "Mikey" for as long as they have been around, it's stable mate is a P337 N5KU that somehow came to be known as "Karl". Got to be a bit weird to own a mixmaster anyhow.
Chris

Chris, I appreciate your offer of a handshake. Quite a different vibe than I got from a few others. I hope to take you up on it.
I'm sorry the turnout at the SC fly-in wasn't all it coulda been. I sure didn't mean to seem like I was criticizing. It sounds like Bill & everybody else did a great job organizing things. The airstrip sure looked like a great spot too.
The reason I didn't want to pop for $10 admission on a spur of the moment drop-in was that I was on the way somewhere & coulda only stopped for half an hour or so. Some of these kinda deals DO have someone there with his hand out as soon as the prop stops (like the Arlington fly-in!),I didn't feel like trying to explain "but it's only for a few minutes..." I woulda been happy to pony up some dough if I was gonna be there for the whole enchilada.
This event was billed as the "NW Supercub Fly-in". This gave me the impression that other airplane types might be tolerated but they weren't especially welcome. It's also been my experience that people at type-specific gatherings like this sometimes tend toward a bit of an elitist attitude. Several years ago, I was invited to a 180/185 get-together by a friend. A couple guys there made snide comments behind my back to (unbeknownst to them) my buddy, something along the line of "who's the wannabe in the 170?". I got the impression a couple others were thinking the same thing. My buddy didn't think much of that attitude, and it didn't give me a warm & fuzzy feeling either. Life's too short to have to put up with that kinda bullshit. I thought that there might be some of that sorta thing at this fly-in. I apologize if that offends anyone but all I can go by is my own experience. Hopefully everybody involved is above that sort of BS.
I figure people who bill their events as Supercub (or Swift, or 180/185, or whatever) fly-ins are being pretty honest about who they want to attend. If this gathering had been billed as a "fat-tire"/grass strip fly-in,a taildragger fly-in (more possible elitism?), or just a plain old fly-in, I'd have probably made plans to attend. But since I don't own a Supercub, I didn't.
I regret that my innocently-made post about my flyover started all this bullshit. If I've pissed anybody off, that wasn't my intention. Maybe some folks shouldn't be so quick to take offense.
There's gonna be a fly-in at Jefferson County (Port Townsend) in a couple weeks, July 16 & 17. Open to all, no type-specific activities- come on over. Or not-- no problem.

Eric

Thanks for taking the time to explain. Your points are well taken, and I'm sorry your prior experieces may have set the stage for expectations about this event. I was kind of reluctant to jump on SC.org originally because I have a -12, but I found a great bunch of folks who's common threads are having fun with little airplanes (preferably off-airport) and sharing their experience and wisdom. A lot of the people I fly with now I met there and they don't have Supercubs either. We call the flyin "NW Supercub Flyin" because that is what the majority of the aircraft are and SC.org is our roots. I hope it never is misinterpreted as elitist or snobby. With all do respect to my ragwing brothers, one of the most impressive performing plane I saw there was the Maule from Vancouver WA. I also saw a guy in a straight tail C172 land and takeoff shorter at Jerry's event than I can do on my best day in my -12 (but I'm working on that and I got my ass kicked by a nice C170 too) ) We really wrestled with how to do the money thing, but agreed going in this year that if this wasn't the best approach, you'd see something different tried next year. So your feedback is duely noted. If we don't cross paths at some flyin or gravel bar before, I will look forward to meeting you next year, same time, same pasture.
Regards
Chris

I got a chance to take Chris up on his offer of a handshake last saturday, when we both landed at the "same pasture". I was a little apprehensive , but he didn't punch me in the nose, didn't even sic his mean dog on me. What a relief!
We had an enjoyable little visit, including a discussion about how easy it is to misinterpret someone's online comments. Then I watched him shoot a few spot/short landings in his beautiful SuperCruiser. Thanks for recognizing my airplane & inviting me down, Chris- hope to run into you again in the future. Come on over to our fly-in at Jefferson County next weekend- and bring some other Cubbers with you!

Eric