Super hi-res is out there... I known, used to fly LIDAR and spectrum analyzers in a Navajo.

FF needs to get on it!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidar

So it is pretty amazing to me that a $200 program does what it does!
I'm not sure I need to get down to 10' separation for anything I do from the inside of the plane??

I still use LORAN C.

Just saw an email from ForeFlight, inviting us to "Come see the future of Maps!" with an "8" logo up at the top. It says "Demo ForeFlight 8 at our booth in Hangar C 3137-3138."

Here's the notice on their web page.

Fingers crossed!

Ugh! Looks like FF is stepping away from sectionals in favor of their own computer generated maps...like Garmin. Not thrilled!

http://www.foreflight.com/campaigns/ff8 ... 4cd9da0c81


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Grassstrippilot wrote:Ugh! Looks like FF is stepping away from sectionals in favor of their own computer generated maps...like Garmin. Not thrilled!

http://www.foreflight.com/campaigns/ff8 ... 4cd9da0c81

That's too bad.... I'm not happy about that either. I hope they keep sectionals as an option.

robw56 wrote:

Grassstrippilot wrote:Ugh! Looks like FF is stepping away from sectionals in favor of their own computer generated maps...like Garmin. Not thrilled!

http://www.foreflight.com/campaigns/ff8 ... 4cd9da0c81

That's too bad.... I'm not happy about that either. I hope they keep sectionals as an option.

Yeah surely VFR sectionals will be an option just like IFR low/high, terrain, etc. If they removed VFR sectionals, I would have very strong opinions against Foreflight, but I do like the idea of their aeronautical charts (only judging by the few images). They look better for VFR XC flights relying mostly on navigational equipment rather than visual ground waypoints.

I am very excited about Foreflight 8. Was wondering if the time spent with them taking them off-airport in the SQ2 and sitting at a desk going over our list of requests was ever going to bear fruit, but it looks like it is. I am particularly excited about their data driven mapping engine, that is one aspect I love about Garmin Pilot, that and Pilot's terrain map. Hopefully the new terrain map in Foreflight 8 will be at least a match to Pilot's.

And for you folks stuck in the days of the covered wagon I'm sure they will retain sectionals, Pilot does. But sectionals, come on, really? I'm just having fun guys - sort of

Sectionals

Data Driven Mapping

I might have misinterpreted how he said it, but I believe he said "instead of scanned charts" or something close to that. It came across as scanned charts are going away.


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I know it comes down to personal preferences, but I really don't care for the Garmin Pilot maps...or any similarly computer generated maps. A lot of detail is lost in my opinion...especially for VFR flight. I'm sure it's easier for updating maps and such on their end, but I hope sectionals don't go away.


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Adobe pioneered data driven page definition. Much better than IBM's ASCII rendering?

Data driven charts (are and always) have been the reality and the future of navigation. Glad to see ForeFlight is stepping out of "Caveman" graphics I.e. "Sectionals"

8GCBC wrote:Adobe pioneered data driven page definition. Much better than IBM's ASCII rendering?

Data driven charts (are and always) have been the reality and the future of navigation. Glad to see ForeFlight is stepping out of "Caveman" graphics I.e. "Sectionals"

I do like the Garmin maps. But in Canada we are required to have sectionals on board the aircraft. So as Cavemanish as it is, it is required on board. And having them electronically is much nicer then paper.

A1Skinner wrote:

8GCBC wrote:Adobe pioneered data driven page definition. Much better than IBM's ASCII rendering?

Data driven charts (are and always) have been the reality and the future of navigation. Glad to see ForeFlight is stepping out of "Caveman" graphics I.e. "Sectionals"

I do like the Garmin maps. But in Canada we are required to have sectionals on board the aircraft. So as Cavemanish as it is, it is required on board. And having them electronically is much nicer then paper.

Write Nav Canada. Tell them to join the digital revolution! layering is wonderful.

Are not the sectionals now not data driven, I cannot believe there is some dude or dudette redrawing the charts!
Tho as long as it takes to get something changed on one might lead you to believe someone does use a pencil??
Pretty positive they are on an electronic file somewhere!
I'm pretty sure the sectionals will be there.
They currently work as an EFB, which requires to have sectionals?
Why would they delete this?

8GCBC wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

8GCBC wrote:Adobe pioneered data driven page definition. Much better than IBM's ASCII rendering?

Data driven charts (are and always) have been the reality and the future of navigation. Glad to see ForeFlight is stepping out of "Caveman" graphics I.e. "Sectionals"

I do like the Garmin maps. But in Canada we are required to have sectionals on board the aircraft. So as Cavemanish as it is, it is required on board. And having them electronically is much nicer then paper.

Write Nav Canada. Tell them to join the digital revolution! layering is wonderful.

I like sectionals. In some ways they do have a lot more information then garmin maps. I like to have both. My sectionals on my flight plan go and my garmin maps. They work very well when used hand in hand. If foreflight could overlay the 2 that would be awesome!

I still may use HO249 (Aircraft Sight Reduction tables, [3] Volumes), Air Almanc, pencil, Wet Compass and a Seiko G-Shock Watch:

I rummaged through some old gear and took this photo to prove it...my (30) year old plastic sextant. Never will give this instrument away!



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sight_reduction

M6RV6 wrote:Are not the sectionals now not data driven, I cannot believe there is some dude or dudette redrawing the charts!
Tho as long as it takes to get something changed on one might lead you to believe someone does use a pencil??
Pretty positive they are on an electronic file somewhere!
I'm pretty sure the sectionals will be there.
They currently work as an EFB, which requires to have sectionals?
Why would they delete this?

I think what they mean by data driven is that instead of a fixed digital image you can zoom in and out (sectional), they're going to a generated map that literally changes levels of detail (like many very close together airports/navaids get shown based on the level of zoom. Or one of their examples is an airway - at a zoom out view you might just see the line, but as you zoom in more details populate, like the mea or navaid changeover point. Unlike the current charts which always have all the data present, and are just harder/easier to read based on zoom level.

I like flying with a sectional, but I'm willing to give the new charts a try.

Sorry FAA. I didn't see that 3 mile wide TFR because I was zoomed out too far and it was filtered out. Or fill in the blank with whatever other detail you want. But, in fairness, that can happen now too. I have a friend that was so focused on staying out of class B and had it zoomed in so tight that when he couldn't contact a busy controller, he decided to climb up and go around. He inadvertently flew into an overlying Class B shelf he didn't see because he was zoomed in too tight.

How about some of you Oshkosh guys run over to their booth and get the scoop! Quite ogling planes and be of some use already![emoji1]


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CamTom12 wrote:

M6RV6 wrote:Are not the sectionals now not data driven, I cannot believe there is some dude or dudette redrawing the charts!
Tho as long as it takes to get something changed on one might lead you to believe someone does use a pencil??
Pretty positive they are on an electronic file somewhere!
I'm pretty sure the sectionals will be there.
They currently work as an EFB, which requires to have sectionals?
Why would they delete this?

I think what they mean by data driven is that instead of a fixed digital image you can zoom in and out (sectional), they're going to a generated map that literally changes levels of detail (like many very close together airports/navaids get shown based on the level of zoom. Or one of their examples is an airway - at a zoom out view you might just see the line, but as you zoom in more details populate, like the mea or navaid changeover point. Unlike the current charts which always have all the data present, and are just harder/easier to read based on zoom level.

I like flying with a sectional, but I'm willing to give the new charts a try.

Thanks for the explanation, some us know just enough to be dangerous! I can't imagine FF doing away with the sectional??

Charts are the most useful if they are rendered in real time with dynamic data I.e. Weather, TFRs, Hot MOAs, NOTAMS, Traffic, Fuel Prices, and where to get a great hot dog on field, etc...

Controlling how they are rendered is a caveat which we must train ourself to do safely. Yes, layering is dangerous if not understood. There are outright dangerous nautical charts that were involved in major groundings. But, a guy flying an R44 does NOT want to know where seaplane bases are every flight?

We need to go slow and acclimate into the new technology. But, there is no turning back, the TFR layer over a scanned Sectional Chart is an example.