https://www.garmin.com/en-US/blog/aviat ... dl7qexyy4Y


Found this post/article on Facebook this morning. I am planning on upgrading my avionics this November prior to the ADS-B deadline. I was planning on going with dual G5s. Now I need to rethink my options. I still think it is too expensive and would require cutting a new panel along with a lot more labor for the installation. Cheaper than a G500 or TXi.

Ya I saw that as well. I wish Garmin would put the AML up on their website so we would know what its approved on. But this announcement probably cost me a lot of $$ in the future.

They also announced the introduction of these: GPS 175 and the GNX 375

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/blog/aviat ... -b-in-out/


They appear to be Navigator only units but the second one (GNX 375) has a built in ADS-B in/out transponder. Cost is 5 and 8 K respectively. They will keep introducing new products faster than we can even keep up with the last update as long as this bull market in aviation continues. This was one of the reasons I chose to wait until the last minute before upgrading my panel.

slow18 wrote:http://static.garmin.com/pumac/sa01899wi_aml.pdf

Thanks! I guess it won't cost me anything as the 206 is not on the AML.

Look under Textron not Cessna

slow18 wrote:Look under Textron not Cessna

Thanks again.

I was briefly excited, but I don't think this changes my wish list. Two G5 are still much cheaper than the G3X/G5 combo. I believe bells and whistles belong on portables. Cheaper to purchase and upgrade. With my 796 and an iPad, if I have a FS210 and a GNS650, what does the G3X add that I wouldn’t already have?

I need new nav/coms, so the choice is nav/com or transponder integrated with GPS? I choose Nav/Com. Transponder can be a second box. Even remote off a GNS650 if I choose.

I’ll be watching to see what bundles are dreamt up incorporating these new components, but so far, I’m not attracted.

Sort of my thoughts too, though if I had this option when I was picking my G5's and cutting a panel, I might have done a 7" G3X display instead. Still I will be happy with what I'm putting in.

The new navigators look interesting, and if you're considering something like a Lynx transponder I would look long and hard at the GNX375 as it's a very advanced unit. If they had made the GPS a GPS/Com like the old 150/250 line, I would jump on one. As it sits today though this would just mean I still run two separate radios and then a different GPS on top, so more clutter really. I can see where this opens up some options for people though, especially if you run remote integrated radios in the touchscreen and just need an IFR navigator to make that part legal. That is where this will really shine.

Pinecone wrote:I was briefly excited, but I don't think this changes my wish list. Two G5 are still much cheaper than the G3X/G5 combo. I believe bells and whistles belong on portables. Cheaper to purchase and upgrade. With my 796 and an iPad, if I have a FS210 and a GNS650, what does the G3X add that I wouldn’t already have?

I need new nav/coms, so the choice is nav/com or transponder integrated with GPS? I choose Nav/Com. Transponder can be a second box. Even remote off a GNS650 if I choose.

I’ll be watching to see what bundles are dreamt up incorporating these new components, but so far, I’m not attracted.

I think a big thing is the engine instrumentation. So if you're starting from scratch like me it's a decent option for having everything in one rather then a few different boxes. For me it's a lot more $$ because Garmin requires a certified installer, so I'll stick with what i can put in. My wife won't let me spend that much anyways.

A1Skinner wrote:I think a big thing is the engine instrumentation. So if you're starting from scratch like me it's a decent option for having everything in one rather then a few different boxes. For me it's a lot more $$ because Garmin requires a certified installer, so I'll stick with what i can put in. My wife won't let me spend that much anyways.

What's strange to me is that when you look at their online pricing tool, it shows that with the "certified" G3X systems, you can only purchase the engine monitor capability with the Dual–G3X package. In the Experimental world, you can add the engine monitoring to a single unit – even the 7-inch version. Hopefully, this is just a glitch in their online configurator and will be corrected soon.

JP256 wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:I think a big thing is the engine instrumentation. So if you're starting from scratch like me it's a decent option for having everything in one rather then a few different boxes. For me it's a lot more $$ because Garmin requires a certified installer, so I'll stick with what i can put in. My wife won't let me spend that much anyways.

What's strange to me is that when you look at their online pricing tool, it shows that with the "certified" G3X systems, you can only purchase the engine monitor capability with the Dual–G3X package. In the Experimental world, you can add the engine monitoring to a single unit – even the 7-inch version. Hopefully, this is just a glitch in their online configurator and will be corrected soon.

If you first choose the single 10.5” display the option for EIS is available. If you choose the single 7” display and then choose EIS as “yes”, it will default you to the dual 10.5” and 7” display option.

I believe that the EIS on a single 7” is the only limitation here.


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JP256 wrote:What's strange to me is that when you look at their online pricing tool, it shows that with the "certified" G3X systems, you can only purchase the engine monitor capability with the Dual–G3X package. In the Experimental world, you can add the engine monitoring to a single unit – even the 7-inch version. Hopefully, this is just a glitch in their online configurator and will be corrected soon.

It probably isn't a glitch. The certified world is a different beast, and carries some more rigid requirements on how and where things are presented to the flight crew. Experimental avionics get away with a lot of things that would never pass approval for a certified component. Also bear in mind Garmin AML'd about 700 aircraft rather than STC each one individually, so you're getting a "one size fits all" STC that has to work across the board. Experimental G5's also do more than the certified ones, but you can't deviate because it's what the FAA says we can do. Such is the certified life.

It’ll be interesting to see what the installation cost will be. Garmin installers tend to run on the high side of hourly cost. And these things are going to take a LOT of hours to install, particularly with engine gauges.

I’m not sure I’d want engine instruments on these, necessarily, single point of failure and all. Might be okay in a two screen setup with reversionary capability.

I’m betting you’ll be into it for well over $20 K min.

MTV

mtv wrote:It’ll be interesting to see what the installation cost will be. Garmin installers tend to run on the high side of hourly cost. And these things are going to take a LOT of hours to install, particularly with engine gauges.

I’m not sure I’d want engine instruments on these, necessarily, single point of failure and all. Might be okay in a two screen setup with reversionary capability.

I’m betting you’ll be into it for well over $20 K min.

MTV

That's a really nice thing about Dynon's STC'd setup.
No hike in prices for the PMAd parts - Same price as their Experimental counter parts.
No certified install shop required.

The drawback is the number of aircraft Dynon has approved (two). Once they expand that AML, they will have a hell of a draw.

The GTN375 looks like an excellent all-in-one upgrade solution for my panel, which is state of the art circa 1983 with the exception of a JPI 730. I'll keep my MAC1700s, six pack, KI209 ILS but get ADS-B and approach certified GPS in one box near the top of the center stack. I will probably spring for a new bluetooth audio panel, which will run up the cost.

I wish the ADS-b out solution in the GTN-375 was 978mhz UAT, because I like that it has anonymous mode. With the 1090ES solution anytime your airplane moves it can be found on flightaware or other sites. Seems like a security issue regarding your property and family given that anyone with any sense could see that you are out of town, not to mention the issues with the FAA knowing everything you are doing.

I'm waiting for the day when the FAA starts issuing citations based on ADS-b data.

I'm waiting for the day when the FAA starts issuing citations based on ADS-b data.

Gone are the days of turning off the transponder when you inadvertently wonder into class B/C/D airspace. Big brother is truly watching.

A1Skinner wrote:

Pinecone wrote:I was briefly excited, but I don't think this changes my wish list. Two G5 are still much cheaper than the G3X/G5 combo. I believe bells and whistles belong on portables. Cheaper to purchase and upgrade. With my 796 and an iPad, if I have a FS210 and a GNS650, what does the G3X add that I wouldn’t already have?

I need new nav/coms, so the choice is nav/com or transponder integrated with GPS? I choose Nav/Com. Transponder can be a second box. Even remote off a GNS650 if I choose.

I’ll be watching to see what bundles are dreamt up incorporating these new components, but so far, I’m not attracted.

I think a big thing is the engine instrumentation. So if you're starting from scratch like me it's a decent option for having everything in one rather then a few different boxes. For me it's a lot more $$ because Garmin requires a certified installer, so I'll stick with what i can put in. My wife won't let me spend that much anyways.

I feel that for older planes with decrepit panels, this is a reasonable solution. Avionics have always been expensive, but the cost/utility ratio here is pretty incredible. I would hazard that for less than 30k installed, you could outfit a piston single with a standby G5, the 10" single screen and a GTN650. retain original engine gauges and you have a plane that can shoot LPV's/ILS's all day with syth vis. Not bad...

IncipientSpin wrote:

A1Skinner wrote:

Pinecone wrote:I was briefly excited, but I don't think this changes my wish list. Two G5 are still much cheaper than the G3X/G5 combo. I believe bells and whistles belong on portables. Cheaper to purchase and upgrade. With my 796 and an iPad, if I have a FS210 and a GNS650, what does the G3X add that I wouldn’t already have?

I need new nav/coms, so the choice is nav/com or transponder integrated with GPS? I choose Nav/Com. Transponder can be a second box. Even remote off a GNS650 if I choose.

I’ll be watching to see what bundles are dreamt up incorporating these new components, but so far, I’m not attracted.

I think a big thing is the engine instrumentation. So if you're starting from scratch like me it's a decent option for having everything in one rather then a few different boxes. For me it's a lot more $$ because Garmin requires a certified installer, so I'll stick with what i can put in. My wife won't let me spend that much anyways.

I feel that for older planes with decrepit panels, this is a reasonable solution. Avionics have always been expensive, but the cost/utility ratio here is pretty incredible. I would hazard that for less than 30k installed, you could outfit a piston single with a standby G5, the 10" single screen and a GTN650. retain original engine gauges and you have a plane that can shoot LPV's/ILS's all day with syth vis. Not bad...

I agree that this may be a solution, but I think you are waaaaay low in your estimate. The 650 alone is well north of $10K, G5 isn’t cheap, and install cost by Garmin installer????

Would be a nice setup though.

I agree with previous post....I think Dynon May kick Garmins butt once they get their AML expanded. And the Dynon has a better screen in my opinion.

MTV