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Getting the Aircraft Registered

When I am shopping for a new ride the very first thing I do is look up the N number on the FAA's search database. Sellers frequently do everything they can to obscure the N number in photographs and descriptions in the advertisement. I don't know why they do this, it certainly does not instill confidence in the airplane or the seller.

If they have succeeded in obscuring the N number one can still track down records by the telephone prefix or location information in the ad. There is a search function at FAA by state and county that will avail in most cases. Anyway, the object is to track down the registry information to find out if the seller is indeed the owner and if the registration and CofA is in order. That's the easy part as it turns out.

I've been hard at it for a couple of months trying to buy a factory built Rans S-7LS that was for sale in SO-CAL. The N number search pulled up a warning that the aircraft was probably not suitable for flight. When you see that warning you will also find a phone number for the FAA Registration Branch listed underneath. If the airplane is interesting go ahead and program that number into your telephone. If there are problems with the registration you will be in frequent contact with those fine folks over the next little while. They are to a man and woman fine people and really do want to get things un-hosed. There will also be a "continue" link under the warning where you can find the current registration status.

I have become somewhat competent now in dealing with a hosed up registration, having arm wrestled two airplanes back to compliance through sheer force of will and dogged persistence. It's not hard, it's just, well, maddening.

The problem is always with the current owner/seller or whoever thy bought it from, or the one before or the one before that. Sometimes it can be with YOU. You didn't fill out the application for registration or bill of sale right. Those are called the 8050-1 and 8050-2 respectively. If any of the previous owners are dead you got a problem! You may have to re-open probates, find surviving heirs or get somebody to file a mechanics lien or declare it parts and re-build it. It had better be an exceptionally good deal to be worth all that. Be warned. An aircraft that has been deregistered with a dead owner in it's history between the last time the aircraft was registered correctly and the current date reduces the airplane, (in my opinion) to a pile of parts. The situation may resemble an infinite regress. For reasons that are not clear some people can't or won't follow directions because they are either stubborn and can't imagine how a federal agency could have anything important to say about ownership of private property or unimpressed with the gravity of trying to sell an airplane that has no clear title. So...

The problem with my S7 was that the owner decided to transfer the registration from individual ownership status to a family trust ownership. The owner was 87 y/o and in poor health so it made lots of sense to transfer all his property into trust. One avoids probate that way. He didn't fill out the paperwork correctly and the feds kicked it back. His family trust lawyer got involved and added another layer of "oh no" to the file. Now came the crazy part. They all just quit trying, the FAA flagged the registration, cancelled it and the CofA and made several attempts to contact the owner with suggestions on how to square things away. Then I came along.

I finally convinced the owner, after clearing the procedure through Registration Branch, to fill out two new bills of sale. The first one transferred N8877R from the owner to the owner's trust, the second one transferred it from the trust to me. The reg. branch is always about a month behind so this took some time. But today, I checked the status on the N-number search and behold. N8877R belongs to me. So, there you go. Don't give up. Now I'm just trying to get it home. That is becoming a pain in the ass.
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I agree that hiding the tail number on an airplane for sale is more than a little disingenuous. In my experience, it's often done by brokers, because they don't want you trying to contact the seller, and maybe cutting them out of $$. That shouldn't be an issue in any case, since a broker SHOULD have a contract.

But, one thing works pretty well: If they post or provide a photo of the instrument panel, most aircraft have the tail number on a placard somewhere on the instrument panel......and in my experience, the folks hiding the tail numbers in the photos of the side of the plane usually overlook that placard. Find or ask for a photo of the panel, and zoom in and look around.....often you'll find the number front and center.

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mtv wrote:I agree that hiding the tail number on an airplane for sale is more than a little disingenuous. In my experience, it's often done by brokers, because they don't want you trying to contact the seller, and maybe cutting them out of $$. That shouldn't be an issue in any case, since a broker SHOULD have a contract.

But, one thing works pretty well: If they post or provide a photo of the instrument panel, most aircraft have the tail number on a placard somewhere on the instrument panel......and in my experience, the folks hiding the tail numbers in the photos of the side of the plane usually overlook that placard. Find or ask for a photo of the panel, and zoom in and look around.....often you'll find the number front and center.

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Also, many times they will show the serial number of the airplane in the listing info, and that can also be used to look it up in the aircraft registry.
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Dont take the info on the online FAA registry as gospel.
Often any engine upgrade doesnt show up. It showed my C150/150 TD
as still having an O200. Also showed a restricted " aerial advertising" airworthiness certificate, even though it'd only been used for that for one year, and then taken back to a standard certificate.
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hotrod180 wrote:Dont take the info on the online FAA registry as gospel.
Often any engine upgrade doesnt show up. It showed my C150/150 TD
as still having an O200. Also showed a restricted " aerial advertising" airworthiness certificate, even though it'd only been used for that for one year, and then taken back to a standard certificate.
I agree. It's just a start. I don't think I've ever seen an engine upgrade on the registration page. One needs to order the full packet on CD from the records division.
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And congratulations on owning your Rans S7

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Well thank you and it should, weather permitting be home towards the end of next week. Hot dog!
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Mister701 wrote:
hotrod180 wrote:Dont take the info on the online FAA registry as gospel.
Often any engine upgrade doesnt show up. It showed my C150/150 TD
as still having an O200. Also showed a restricted " aerial advertising" airworthiness certificate, even though it'd only been used for that for one year, and then taken back to a standard certificate.
I agree. It's just a start. I don't think I've ever seen an engine upgrade on the registration page. One needs to order the full packet on CD from the records division.
This is good to know. Up here in Canada, engine and prop upgrades are shown on the registry page.
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A1Skinner wrote:
Mister701 wrote:
hotrod180 wrote:Dont take the info on the online FAA registry as gospel.
Often any engine upgrade doesnt show up. It showed my C150/150 TD
as still having an O200. Also showed a restricted " aerial advertising" airworthiness certificate, even though it'd only been used for that for one year, and then taken back to a standard certificate.
I agree. It's just a start. I don't think I've ever seen an engine upgrade on the registration page. One needs to order the full packet on CD from the records division.
This is good to know. Up here in Canada, engine and prop upgrades are shown on the registry page.
Your log books are outstanding too. They are much more descriptive of the history of an airplane than the little black books we use down south here. I've heard rumors though that CAA has gotten rid of most of it's field inspectors and hired designees instead. I'm told that in at least one province that has resulted in a 180 degree change of an airplane's airworthiness status that ended up costing the owner many tens of thousands of dollars in lost revenue and unnecessary repairs. Apparently an appeals process doesn't exist either. Hollowing out a federal agency can have it's downside too.
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