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This came up on an email list that I follow. I don't know Mr. Jeffko or his wife and am really not even sure it's legit, but if my wife was in this position, I would want the pilot community to support her in any way possible...

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:57 AM, ed jeffko <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't know whom else to send this to, so please enlighten me or
> forward if you please.
>
> Ed and the Glasair 745CA went down in the North Cascade Mountains one
> month ago.
> FAA and WASDOT not to mention the AIR FORCE looked for him for ten
> days. I helped
> Build the plane and it was solid. Prop was wired. ELT,. GPS, new
> radios and head sets
> didn't help us at all. He is missing and presumed dead. He took no
> meds and was a
> very healthy man. He was building me a house and has the engine for
> the next plane.
> I am searching the Cascasdes twice a week trying to find our little
> white plane. We
> may never find him. He and that plane were as one. But, I will
> search for him the rest
> of my life.
>
> Thank you,
> Claire Jeffko
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I'm sure it's legit...I fly out of Jefferson CO airport near his destination and when I heard about it, I looked at his likely flight path. It covered some very rugged, heavily wooded and rapidly climbing terrain as well as parts of the Puget Sound before his arrival at W28. If he went down in the sound, there is little chance he will be found. In the mountains, not much better. It is of course possible he is alive...or was, after the crash.

I have been intending to get one of the new gps emergency personal emergency locator beacons. I think will do it today. The cost seems high until you compare it to the cost of flying and to your loved ones not ever knowing what happened.
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I can't load the NTSB report, but the N# comes back as a 421 registered in CA.??
And a glasair could travel 30 miles in 10 minutes easy so could be along way away from where he was supposed to be>
Hope they find him sometime, Hunting season is coming up!!
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Re: Glasair Down in WA and Pilot Missing

littlewheelinback wrote:I'm sure it's legit...

The crash certainly happened, but I'm just very skeptical of internet "appeals"...
I fly out of Jefferson CO airport near his destination and when I heard about it, I looked at his likely flight path. It covered some very rugged, heavily wooded and rapidly climbing terrain as well as parts of the Puget Sound before his arrival at W28. If he went down in the sound, there is little chance he will be found. In the mountains, not much better. It is of course possible he is alive...or was, after the crash.

It looks like he was based at Tonasket, so you wouldn't think that the mountains would present a problem. I was curious why the searchers didn't get a ping from the ELT - may give credence to the possibility that he went down in the sound.
I have been intending to get one of the new gps emergency personal emergency locator beacons. I think will do it today. The cost seems high until you compare it to the cost of flying and to your loved ones not ever knowing what happened.

Not a bad idea...
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NTSB Report:

NTSB Identification: WPR12FAMS1
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Monday, July 23, 2012 in Tonasket, WA
Aircraft: JEFFKO ED & CLAIRE GLASAIR, registration: N743CA
Injuries: 1 Fatal.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On July 23, 2012, an experimental amateur-built Jeffko Glasair, N743CA, did not arrive at its planned destination of Sequim Valley Airport, Sequim, Washington. The pilot/owner was operating the airplane under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 91. The certified flight instructor was presumed to have sustained fatal injuries. The cross-country flight departed Tonasket Municipal Airport, Tonasket, Washington, about 0830. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed at the departure airport, and no flight plan had been filed.

On July 23, at 1520, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued an alert notice (ALNOT) for the missing airplane after family members reported that it had not arrived at its planed destination. A search and rescue mission was subsequently initiated by the Washington State Department of Transportation.

The search and rescue mission was called off at 1700 on July 29, after 100 sorties had been completed in the area of the Cascade Mountains, utilizing fixed wing and rotorcraft assets.

FAA records indicated that the airplane was issued its airworthiness certificate in October 2008.



Registration:
N743CA is Assigned
Serial Number 178 Type Registration Co-Owned
Manufacturer Name JEFFKO ED & CLAIRE Certificate Issue Date 02/24/1982
Model GLASAIR Expiration Date 12/31/2013
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Status Valid
Pending Number
Change None Type Engine Reciprocating
Date Change
Authorized None Dealer No
MFR Year 2008 Mode S Code 52376742
Fractional Owner NO
Name JEFFKO EDWARD T
Street 305 W 4TH ST
City TONASKET State WASHINGTON
County OKANOGAN Zip Code 98855
Country UNITED STATES
Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING Classification Experimental
Engine Model O-320-E2D Category Amateur Built
A/W Date 10/21/2008
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Well there are 10,000 foot peaks on his route...now his aircraft wouldn't have trouble getting over them...with enough room, but there are usually clouds in those mountains as you come west. If he was forced to navigate canyons to stay VFR...
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Guy's that glasaire would'nt sink it'll float so if it went down in water something would be floating.
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littlewheelinback wrote:Well there are 10,000 foot peaks on his route...now his aircraft wouldn't have trouble getting over them...with enough room, but there are usually clouds in those mountains as you come west. If he was forced to navigate canyons to stay VFR...

Just found this in the certificate file:
Date of Issue: 2/14/2005
Certificate: COMMERCIAL PILOT
Ratings:
COMMERCIAL PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE SEA
INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE

Doesn't make him invincible, and no way to tell if he was current. VFR into IMC in the mountains could end badly even for an experienced IFR pilot...
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....And if he is VFR under an overcast, therefore somewhat low (AGL) when/if his fan stops turning....
in a lot of the Cascades there isn't much/any good places to set it down. In many places the best option is in the trees-which tend to hide the crash site.
Certainly doesn't have to be IMC for a bad senario....

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He wasn't operating under an IFR flight plan. I was just saying that if he was attempting to remain VFR in the mountains, he might have gotten into a jamb...a place he couldn't climb out of or turn out of. Just speculation. It might have been severe clear that day.

I'm thinking that anything with a large engine in it could fill with water and sink. Ditching is hard on aircraft, structures get tweeked and cracked. Water comes in. Most aircraft sink after they ditch, I bet composite aircraft aren't much different. Of course this will start a whole new debate...
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^^^^ I wasn't disagreeing, I was 'broadening' the scenarios....
All speculating, of course....

But we can be aware of the risks/possibilities in our own choices.
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cropduster13 wrote: Guy's that glasaire would'nt sink it'll float.....


What gives you that idea? Those things aren't foam filled, it'll bust up & sink (eventually) just like any other airplane.
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littlewheelinback wrote:...I fly out of Jefferson CO airport .....



That's my home base too. What do you fly? I've got a red-n-white C150 taildragger, and keep it in one of the green hangars.

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littlewheelinback wrote:...I fly out of Jefferson CO airport .....



That's my home base too. What do you fly? I've got a red-n-white C150 taildragger, and keep it in one of the green hangars.

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funny you have not met :D
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Re: Glasair Down in WA and Pilot Missing

Eric,

I fly the C-172 for BJ at Port Townsend Aero, part 135 and instruction. Just been here a couple of months. I have seen your aircraft flying. I have been having tailwheel withdrawal since I moved up here from TX where I was regularly giving tailwheel endorsements in a 46 Champ. Been looking for a Pacer or small engine Maule to buy without much luck. Don't want to change the focus of the thread...getting ready to go pick up passengers at BFI, clear as a bell this am. I am sure I'll see you around.

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cropduster13 wrote: Guy's that glasaire would'nt sink it'll float.....


What gives you that idea? Those things aren't foam filled, it'll bust up & sink (eventually) just like any other airplane.


Because it is foam sandwich construction I have owned 3 of them , they will not sink [-X
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Papa Foxtrot wrote:....I was curious why the searchers didn't get a ping from the ELT - may give credence to the possibility that he went down in the sound.
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If you plot the course from Tonasket -D-> Sequim Valley, you'll see that the line is never more than a couple miles from shore. I doubt it's in the water- much more likely in the mountains or woods.
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hotrod150 wrote:
littlewheelinback wrote:...I fly out of Jefferson CO airport .....

That's my home base too. What do you fly? I've got a red-n-white C150 taildragger, and keep it in one of the green hangars. Eric

funny you have not met :D


Turns out we have met, shortly after he got here. Daryl, I heard Tom Hart over at Sequim Valley is gonna sell his Citabria. Ask around-- Scott at Tailspins/Aurora A/C Maintenance can put you in touch with him, or else look me up at the airport.

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Eric,

sorry I didn't remember meeting you...I have met a lot of pilots since I got here. I have seen you flying your 150. I did see the GCBC Citabria after the repairs from the prop strike, if I didn't need 4 seats I might be interested. Next time I see you come in I'll come down and talk.

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