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Handhold GPS with a horizon gyro (IFR)?!

Does anyone know were I can find a GPS with a intergrated horizon gyro?
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There is no such thing, actually. The Garmin 196/296/396/496 and 495 all have a page which looks like an instrument panel, including something that's intended to be a representation of a turn coordinator, NOT an attitude instrument.

These things are a great backup, but I sure wouldn't want to attempt to fly in the goo with just this for attitude reference.

The full out ADHARS units are all panel mounted. Cheapest I know of is the Aspen Avionics combination PFD/MFD that replaces your artificial horizon and DG.

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There have been for years HARS that connect to PC's and such. HARS is Heading Attitiude Reference System, then you add another A and call it advanced etc. Essentually a Gyro, except a true HARS is an Inertial NAV syatem with accelerometers etc. If you go the tablet PC route there are several excellent HARS available.
All of the handheld GPS's that I know of that display an attitude indicator have no Gyro's, they compute and display aircraft attitude based upon GPS data. As such they are always behind and have a lag as they are displaying what your aircraft movements were. Gyro's will show attitude changes even before the aircraft starts it's movement.
Take your Garmin for example and watch it compared to your panel mounted attitude indicator as you do some rapid pitch excursions. It's not hard to get the Garmin 180 out from the panel mounted Gyro. Of course the panel mounted one is correct. I've flown IMC with one before as I had no other choice, realise there is a lag and keep manuevers to half standard rate and you'll be OK.
I'd hate to try an unusual attitude recovery with one though.
Until I get my standby electric attitude indicator installed, the Garmin is my backup plan.
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You got me looking. Mountain scope and vista nav are a couple of good ones. Apparently Bendix/King now owns vista nav? http://estore.vistanav.com/vistanav/ Interesting.
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mtv wrote:There is no such thing, actually. The Garmin 196/296/396/496 and 495 all have a page which looks like an instrument panel, including something that's intended to be a representation of a turn coordinator, NOT an attitude instrument.

These things are a great backup, but I sure wouldn't want to attempt to fly in the goo with just this for attitude reference.

The full out ADHARS units are all panel mounted. Cheapest I know of is the Aspen Avionics combination PFD/MFD that replaces your artificial horizon and DG.

MTV


I have heard talk of Garmin doing away with that "instrument panel" page for the reason of liability. Apparently someone or more has tried to fly a plane using that info,stalled and crashed. They assumed the speed shown on the screen was airspeed and not groundspeed. Hard to believe a competent pilot cannot realize the difference but the way that screen is presented it does infer that. Kinda dumb on Garmins part but even more dumb for a pilot assuming that readout... Darwin needs pop quizzes all the time and this one looks like a trick question. It will weed out the idiots though. <GG>

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Stol wrote:
I have heard talk of Garmin doing away with that "instrument panel" page for the reason of liability.
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Nope, it's on the 696.
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