Not a problem Ben, glad to be of service.........

I wish you guys would stop talking about helios!. I just get them out of my mind and someone starts talking about them again. The last few days after reading this post,i go to trade a plane and barnstormers. .

Well take a lookie here, and it is in your neck of the woods

Bob Erdmann's 1972 H295 1400 series, make an offer, nice Helio, I've flown it......

http://www.aso.com/i.aso3/aircraft_view ... egionid=-1

I already called and left message,no one has returned my call.I will try again.

Those are some nice guys there, so they will get back to you

Has the long range fuel, 120 gallons, gives you 8 hrs. at cruise

heliodriver what engine does an h250 have? Is it a lycoming O-540, how do they perform? seems to me that would be a more economical setup if you dont need the high altitude performance.

Then only Helios worth having run the geared Lycoming engines. It's a long prop turning slow thing. The direct drive engines do not produce the same torque/thrust. 101" 2 blade prop for the H391 GO-435 260 hp & 96" 3 blade for the H-295/H-395 GO-480 295hp.

Jason

jgerard wrote:Then only Helios worth having run the geared Lycoming engines. It's a long prop turning slow thing. The direct drive engines do not produce the same torque/thrust. 101" 2 blade prop for the H391 GO-435 260 hp & 96" 3 blade for the H-295/H-395 GO-480 295hp.

Jason

It sounds like you know a lot about the topic, and I believe you probably do, but just curious- have you ever tried to hand-prop a geared propeller? A close friend of mine has with his Helio. Major bummer to kill a battery out in the b/c with that set up.

Yup, a few times on both H391 and H295. Makes a big difference if the guy in the cockpit knows the plane well and has the engine properly primed and throttle set right. It is a long reach up to the prop and the 3 blade on a geared engine feels weird when you pull it though. My supercub has no electrical systems so I prop it every time I fly it. I guess I'm used to it. I have heard stories of a guy propping a piston otter on floats from behind, That I would like to see!!

Jason

jgerard wrote:Yup, a few times on both H391 and H295. Makes a big difference if the guy in the cockpit knows the plane well and has the engine properly primed and throttle set right. It is a long reach up to the prop and the 3 blade on a geared engine feels weird when you pull it though. My supercub has no electrical systems so I prop it every time I fly it. I guess I'm used to it. I have heard stories of a guy propping a piston otter on floats from behind, That I would like to see!!

Jason

Alright. I've still got "Taylorcraft calluses" myself, but I always understood that the the gear ratio made those engine/ prop combinations a whole different story. Thanks for providing your experiences and the good visual of the otter!

ccurrie wrote:heliodriver what engine does an h250 have? Is it a lycoming O-540, how do they perform? seems to me that would be a more economical setup if you dont need the high altitude performance.

It has the O-540-A1A5 (250 HP) not a stellar performer, and certainly not up high, but if you are operating at below 7500 feet MSL, it does just fine, it is a light airplane empty and gross 3400 pounds......2000 hour TBO..... But at gross they are "mushy" on a warm day

denalipilot wrote:

jgerard wrote:Then only Helios worth having run the geared Lycoming engines. It's a long prop turning slow thing. The direct drive engines do not produce the same torque/thrust. 101" 2 blade prop for the H391 GO-435 260 hp & 96" 3 blade for the H-295/H-395 GO-480 295hp.

Jason

It sounds like you know a lot about the topic, and I believe you probably do, but just curious- have you ever tried to hand-prop a geared propeller? A close friend of mine has with his Helio. Major bummer to kill a battery out in the b/c with that set up.

Once and I had it running on the third try, gives you a good work-out, it is not something I would want to do on a daily basis...

http://www.backcountrypilot.org/gallery ... =378&pos=1

Helio Stallion at Clemson

...where's the tires? They need some 35's.

Fly and preferrably own a Stallion.
I had the pleasure of jumping David Maytag's a time or two in 1994 both in Hermiston,OR. and Quincy,IL. Really a pleasure to have done that, didn't even care about the jump just wanted the ride.
A friend of mine in Florida leased the one that Para-Flite owned for a while around 1980. The checkout consisted of a "here it it is, see ya later". He flew it for a while and then called Larry Larmont to ask if there was anything he could do to fly it better. Larry's reply was something like"how many times have you groud looped it". Gary's answer was "none". To that larry replied "well then there isn't anything I can tell you"! He really enjoyed it and had a lot to say about the stick force augmentation system and it's helpfulness in a go around situation.
The only others I remember was the one David M. wrecked in AZ. The one Mike Mullins wrecked in Battleship park in Mobile, AL. And the one that Jim Lowe was killed in at Perris Valley (supposedly runaway trim at high speed fairly low in the descent).
I believe that someone in LA. was rebuilding a prototype airframe using parts from Mullin's wreck a ways back.
I would really enjoy the opportunity to fly one of them sometime.
One other little known fact about the Helio aircraft models was the Rattl'er which was going to be a 400 h.p. Ag plane based around the Helio wing. I believe that at least one prototype was built. This was during the period when the tooling was moved to OK. I believe.

lowflyin'G3 wrote:Fly and preferrably own a Stallion.
I had the pleasure of jumping David Maytag's a time or two in 1994 both in Hermiston,OR. and Quincy,IL. Really a pleasure to have done that, didn't even care about the jump just wanted the ride.
A friend of mine in Florida leased the one that Para-Flite owned for a while around 1980. The checkout consisted of a "here it it is, see ya later". He flew it for a while and then called Larry Larmont to ask if there was anything he could do to fly it better. Larry's reply was something like"how many times have you groud looped it". Gary's answer was "none". To that larry replied "well then there isn't anything I can tell you"! He really enjoyed it and had a lot to say about the stick force augmentation system and it's helpfulness in a go around situation.
The only others I remember was the one David M. wrecked in AZ. The one Mike Mullins wrecked in Battleship park in Mobile, AL. And the one that Jim Lowe was killed in at Perris Valley (supposedly runaway trim at high speed fairly low in the descent).
I believe that someone in LA. was rebuilding a prototype airframe using parts from Mullin's wreck a ways back.
I would really enjoy the opportunity to fly one of them sometime.
One other little known fact about the Helio aircraft models was the Rattl'er which was going to be a 400 h.p. Ag plane based around the Helio wing. I believe that at least one prototype was built. This was during the period when the tooling was moved to OK. I believe.

The Rattl'er may have worked had it not been for Loren Abbott not paying the lease on the building or the utilities for that matter in Pittsburgh. We went to Tulsa to look at the remaining jigs, tolling, and what not and there was not enough items to even think about Stallion start-up, the government had way too much fingers in this one. The Helio 800/700 were just to darn heavy and had numerous deficiencies for us to deal with, and the plan was to make them all turbine, this was 1987, then the stock market crashed in October of that year....So here we are in 2008 and still no parts, and David M. had better get his head out of the sand and start doing something because the existing fleet may soon be grounded as a result....

Gotta say as a stick driver I don't like the yoke placement in the Stallion at all. It some how seems like molesting the airframe. It makes me feel dirty, very dirty.
Next thing you know someone will put yokes in a Porter. Why do people need to reinvent the wheel? Or yoke.

lowflyin'G3 wrote:Gotta say as a stick driver I don't like the yoke placement in the Stallion at all. It some how seems like molesting the airframe. It makes me feel dirty, very dirty.
Next thing you know someone will put yokes in a Porter. Why do people need to reinvent the wheel? Or yoke.

The original Stallion did in fact have yokes, and they may or may not had a positive effect on low speed lateral control, but in any event, there are now only 2 flying........tis a shame!!!

I am new to these parts, (the forums anyway) I located a helio 391b I am thinking of purchasing. I would appreciate any thoughts anyone has about any special considerations I should be aware of when considering a helio...

Thanks in advance

I am looking at buying a mid 50's 391b and am courious if anyone has ever seen or put oversize tires on a helio?
Thanks