I'm lazy and can't find the answer. I know we got CFII and FAA controllers.

If my 2 brain cells are still working it seems like the Palm Springs TRSA got more lines around PSP and east towards Bermuda Dunes. Floor and ceiling. PSP is still a Class D [30] ceiling.

Who does the black borders [SFC 100] apply to?
What does it mean?
In the NW corner of the TRSA 100/35 3500floor 10000 ceiling for what? Who?

I know a TRSA is for participating VFR aircraft within the designated TRSA.
VFR flights are encouraged to participate but not required to.

I used to fly anywhere in the TRSA I wanted as long as I was out of PSP Class D. I'm not sure whats up now. I will call AOPA tomorrow too.

Your thoughts please.

Good day

After a little more reading I think I am closer to the answer.
Participation is voluntary.
I think they only have radar coverage at the altitudes listed????

ATC may send you to the end of the line if you make your first call to tower and they have others behind you already sequenced to land. So it's technically voluntary, but like the Army, if you refuse, they can make your life unhappy.

From AOPA forum

I'm sure it still applies to the same folks as always..."participating" VFR traffic.

Maybe they expanded the TrSA to encourage people to call up earlier to facilitate easier sequencing of the inbound or transition traffic, just a guess.

As noted, participation in TRSA services is strictly voluntary for VFR traffic. The black lines indeed offer some idea of the reliable radar coverage provided by approach/departure control.

TRSA service is going to be the default, so for example if you are departing Palm Springs, you are going to be considered participating traffic UNLESS you announce "Negative TRSA Service" prior to departure. In that case, it's just like any other Class D surface area.

Inbound, if you choose not to utilize the TRSA services, you should tell the approach controller "Negative TRSA Service" on first call up.

In my experience (and I operated out of a busy TRSA daily for a number of years) TRSA services are generally helpful and useful in traffic separation. The only time the TRSA becomes a bit of a pain is when the weather is down, and controllers can't rely on pilots to provide visual separation. Once you're on TRSA service, the controller MUST provide positive radar separation OR elicit agreement from pilots that they can maintain visual separation. If the weather's down, the controller has to provide positive separation, which can mean some significant vectoring.

In Fairbanks under such circumstances, some of us would announce "Negative TRSA Service, requesting Stage III Radar Advisories". This takes the monkey off the controller's back as far as traffic separation minimums, but still ensures that you'll get traffic advisories. The controllers there were happy to work with pilots in this mode.

MTV

Thanks Mike!

Isn't PSP one of the few TRSA's still around?

And BTW........ "Mentally Challenged" is the more political way of saying "Retarded". Just saying

Oh wait, we're talking about Rob "Honey Badger" Burson here. Silly me

Wow- even though I neither fly in that area nor in an area where TRSA services are available, MTV just taught me some very practical considerations regarding something that for me was (up to now) only something I had read about. I love learning new things!

From the mouth of the horse, as it were.

http://www.laartcc.org/operating_proced ... +%28PSP%29