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I resemble that remark. I mean guilty as charged. I have been known to land on a road a time or two. I flew to Rome, OR. one time and a hard rain had just passed thru. The dirt runway was not fit for man or beast.So I waited a bit and landed on Hiway 95. Another time I flew a friend to a football game at Imbler, OR. They don't have a strip there, so I landed on a country road and it was next to another friends house, so they let us use their pick up truck to go to the game. I just pushed the tail of the old 170 up on their yard. Bob
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Road are great, except for those pesky road signs, a little tall sometime. Last winter I landed on the highway so the GF could relieve herself. Some of the people that drove by (I was parked in a pullout) had interesting looks on their faces.
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My local Chief of Police tells me the only law he could find to charge you with would be use of an unauthorized motor vehicle on public roads. Same as driving your ATV and getting caught. I fly into work sometimes and use the city road next to the dealership and park on the lot. Chief is good guy...he suggested making a pass to insure the patrol car was not in the immediate vacinity before landing as it would be kind of hard to ignore...what he does not see he does not make a huge issue with.
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Re: Roads

redlinemike wrote:I was actually considering landing in downtown Anchorage! No, not really. I cannot actually think of an instance where I will need to do it. It was just a question posed around my office and I was trying to final the most official answer.

Thanks.


Everyone up here uses the roads. There are several places I've seen with hangers or airplanes tied down right next to the road.
Anybody ever drove around Lake Hood? The road IS the taxiway. The stop signs are only 3' high so wings clear. You have to dodge camera weilding tourists all the time. :shock:

PS... redlinemike....do you fly choppers out of Wainwright?? Just curious because they fly up the Tanana river low and slow right past my strip. Now my strip dumps out right over the river and is lined on 3 sides with 80' spruce so you can't see anything coming up the river. Scares the hell outta me! When I take off I shoot out the opening at about 40' agl until I'm in the open and can see and be seen!
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MONTANA STATE LAW CONCERNING LANDING ON PUBLIC ROADS


The following is taken directly from the Montana Code; MCA 67-1-204 (3) Lawfulness of Flight and Landings:

Aircraft landings and takeoffs from public roads in this state are lawful if proper safety precautions, as approved by the governing jurisdiction of the roads, are taken prior to the landing or takeoff, except as otherwise provided in this section. However, the local governing jurisdiction may not incur liability as a result of an approval under this subsection.


So I think this means I can land on a county road in Montana if I first call the sheriff or county commissioner and explain how I intend to safely accomplish takeoff and landings. Having my relatives block the road on either end of the straight stretch should be enough, right? Has anyone done this? I'd be doing it 6-8 times per Summer so a standing agreement would be nice.
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Re: Landing on roads

Crop dusters have done it here quite regularly over the years. Crop dusters prefer the wider paved county road to the county gravel or township ones. I've never seen a vehicle block the road for traffic unless you count the water truck. If you have never landed on one be sure to scout the area well for power lines crossing the road and also for road sign posts that are close to the shoulder, most sign posts are tall enough to strike the wing. When you line up stay in the center because of the road crown. You don't want to get to one side and have to fight the lean of the lane which will pull the nose wheel or tailwheel toward the down hill side. If gravel, you can drag a brake and that is effective to counter the lean but be aware that it is there. On the narrow township roads the crown is a bigger deal because they seem to be more variable and steeper in the crown, but it is quicker to get permission to land on township roads because of close by neighbors being on the boards. Dirt field roads have worked good for me over the years. No traffic to speak of and if there is, their dust trail is visible a long way off.
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Re: Landing on roads

Whenever I fly to Dillingham to visit my great uncle, I land on the road next to Shannon's Pond and park the plane in his driveway. I always thought that was pretty cool, until he told me a friend of his once tried to taxi in to park there too, with a Shorts Skyvan. It wouldn't fit between the power poles, so he had to back it out and leave it in the road. I love Alaska...
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Re: Landing on roads

dirtstrip wrote:Crop dusters have done it here quite regularly over the years. Crop dusters prefer the wider paved county road to the county gravel or township ones. I've never seen a vehicle block the road for traffic unless you count the water truck. If you have never landed on one be sure to scout the area well for power lines crossing the road and also for road sign posts that are close to the shoulder, most sign posts are tall enough to strike the wing. When you line up stay in the center because of the road crown. You don't want to get to one side and have to fight the lean of the lane which will pull the nose wheel or tailwheel toward the down hill side. If gravel, you can drag a brake and that is effective to counter the lean but be aware that it is there. On the narrow township roads the crown is a bigger deal because they seem to be more variable and steeper in the crown, but it is quicker to get permission to land on township roads because of close by neighbors being on the boards. Dirt field roads have worked good for me over the years. No traffic to speak of and if there is, their dust trail is visible a long way off.


All helpful^^^The lines crossing the road wreck the approach to a perfect mile long uphill paved stretch. It's an over one, under one deal that I've choreographed from the ground but don't know what that might look like from above. If I can't spot both lines on final, I'll go away.
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Re: Landing on roads

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dirtstrip wrote:Crop dusters have done it here quite regularly over the years. Crop dusters prefer the wider paved county road to the county gravel or township ones. I've never seen a vehicle block the road for traffic unless you count the water truck. If you have never landed on one be sure to scout the area well for power lines crossing the road and also for road sign posts that are close to the shoulder, most sign posts are tall enough to strike the wing. When you line up stay in the center because of the road crown. You don't want to get to one side and have to fight the lean of the lane which will pull the nose wheel or tailwheel toward the down hill side. If gravel, you can drag a brake and that is effective to counter the lean but be aware that it is there. On the narrow township roads the crown is a bigger deal because they seem to be more variable and steeper in the crown, but it is quicker to get permission to land on township roads because of close by neighbors being on the boards. Dirt field roads have worked good for me over the years. No traffic to speak of and if there is, their dust trail is visible a long way off.


All helpful^^^The lines crossing the road wreck the approach to a perfect mile long uphill paved stretch. It's an over one, under one deal that I've choreographed from the ground but don't know what that might look like from above. If I can't spot both lines on final, I'll go away.


One more thing, for those in taildraggers I consider this to be a two wheel landing operation. Visibility all the way through the landing is important for drift control, to stay centered and never lose sight of the centerline.
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Re: Landing on roads

Ahhh, do it just like it's a runway :D add a little radio

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Re: Road landings

Bill Reid wrote:
Berk wrote:A young friend & I landed near Fields on the dirt road. No cars in sight...Untill, of course we were down, and blocking the narrow road with our wings! She & I muscled the 172 around so the tail stuck out beyond the edge of the road, and the surprised travelers & locals gawked as they crept by, as we looked and laughed. My old post from 2006


Recently I was on a brakin cruise in a Cessna 210 from Las Vegas to Washingtion. We'd decided toland in N86 (and get some cheap gas -maybe see Super Dave) .After a low oil pressure landing 80-100 miles short of Spanish Springs - I became ever watchful of the oil pressure.
After a short stop in Spanish Springs for a full tank of fuel and another
case of oil we were off hopefuly to Walla Walla,Wash. About the Nevada
Oregon line I looked down at another "0" oil pressure guage. In looking at my Garmin 296 the nearest "airport" was 35 miles away right under a big
thunderstorm. I checked and there were several roads below us. We
I saw a stright piece near us and gave Told Jack if wanted it
it was his call . I looked and thought I could see powerlines both sides of the narrow blacktop. As we got closer I could see it was the highway
markers with the "snow plow " reflectors . As we hit I heard several
"bang-bang-nangs " as we hit some of the snow plow reflectors. We stopped and got out to check for damage. The entire left hand side of the airplane (cessna 210 ) wascoveredwith oil-from the cowl back . Opened up the cowl and found the dip stick almost falling out. Wiped down the oil with a little gas we drained from the sumps. After we turned airplane around motorcycle came up -the first person we had seen out there. I ask motorcycle rider to go down to bend in road and watch for traffic.Blink his headlight when we had a clear shot (late afternoon facing into sun) and we'd hit it. I was on the right hand side telling Jack to go left or right because we couldn't see directly in front because of the crazed
windshield. With the stall warning blairing in my ear Jack began a shallow
right turn . I looked out the side to see the misquet bushes pass under (but veryclose) to the wing tip. I brought my head forward and 75 yards
in front lay a power line -I reached over and brought the gear up and leveled the wings hoping that we would miss the wire. The good lord
must have been with us that day because we missed the wire by less than 3 ft. Flaps still 20 but struggling for altitude . We began to circle to gain more altitude before taking off the flaps. We proceeded to Burns Oregon
and landed. After checking into the motel I needed a drink. After not drinking for 10 years -I had to have another. Following day we returned to Los Angeles with airplane making "potty and oil stops " 4 times. When we got back to L.A. Checked engine and had 20/80 coppession on 3
cylinders. Engine is now torn down and being reassembled. Road was High Way 140 3 miles south of Oregon -Nevada line. Even marked it on my GPS .
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Re: Road landings

Bill Reid wrote:
Berk wrote:A young friend & I landed near Fields on the dirt road. No cars in sight...Untill, of course we were down, and blocking the narrow road with our wings! She & I muscled the 172 around so the tail stuck out beyond the edge of the road, and the surprised travelers & locals gawked as they crept by, as we looked and laughed. My old post from 2006


Recently I was on a brakin cruise in a Cessna 210 from Las Vegas to Washingtion. We'd decided toland in N86 (and get some cheap gas -maybe see Super Dave) .After a low oil pressure landing 80-100 miles short of Spanish Springs - I became ever watchful of the oil pressure.
After a short stop in Spanish Springs for a full tank of fuel and another
case of oil we were off hopefuly to Walla Walla,Wash. About the Nevada
Oregon line I looked down at another "0" oil pressure guage. In looking at my Garmin 296 the nearest "airport" was 35 miles away right under a big
thunderstorm. I checked and there were several roads below us. We
I saw a stright piece near us and gave Told Jack if wanted it
it was his call . I looked and thought I could see powerlines both sides of the narrow blacktop. As we got closer I could see it was the highway
markers with the "snow plow " reflectors . As we hit I heard several
"bang-bang-nangs " as we hit some of the snow plow reflectors. We stopped and got out to check for damage. The entire left hand side of the airplane (cessna 210 ) wascoveredwith oil-from the cowl back . Opened up the cowl and found the dip stick almost falling out. Wiped down the oil with a little gas we drained from the sumps. After we turned airplane around motorcycle came up -the first person we had seen out there. I ask motorcycle rider to go down to bend in road and watch for traffic.Blink his headlight when we had a clear shot (late afternoon facing into sun) and we'd hit it. I was on the right hand side telling Jack to go left or right because we couldn't see directly in front because of the crazed
windshield. With the stall warning blairing in my ear Jack began a shallow
right turn . I looked out the side to see the misquet bushes pass under (but veryclose) to the wing tip. I brought my head forward and 75 yards
in front lay a power line -I reached over and brought the gear up and leveled the wings hoping that we would miss the wire. The good lord
must have been with us that day because we missed the wire by less than 3 ft. Flaps still 20 but struggling for altitude . We began to circle to gain more altitude before taking off the flaps. We proceeded to Burns Oregon
and landed. After checking into the motel I needed a drink. After not drinking for 10 years -I had to have another. Following day we returned to Los Angeles with airplane making "potty and oil stops " 4 times. When we got back to L.A. Checked engine and had 20/80 coppession on 3
cylinders. Engine is now torn down and being reassembled. Road was High Way 140 3 miles south of Oregon -Nevada line. Even marked it on my GPS .
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Re: Landing on roads

Like Bill so well explained we crop dusters used roads extensively. Pawnee, Call Air, and Ag Wagon operators still do. The Steramans have become worth too much to use as sprayers. I bought one in the eighties for $10,000 with a new Aero rebuild. The turboprop Air Tractors and Thrushs haul so much so far so fast that they usually use home strips. In cross country situations the GPS makes it not as necessary for weather and such anymore. I have had to use roads and farmers fields in the Mid West and East while flying pipeline. This doesn't satisfy most lawyers, but the "controlling agency" can give permission especially in an emergency. As soon as the fire truck, police car, or farmer's pickup pulls up, walk over and explain that you had an emergency and "may I use this road to get off when fixed or weather clears? If he says, "Sure!" you have permission of the controlling agency. Smile when you ask. I had a St. Louis policeman smile right back and say, "I'll have to check with the FAA." However, after checking, he loaded my junk and son into his cruiser and hauled them to the airport for me so I could get off the short stretch of road lite.

In the desert SW I stop most anywhere when I need to take a leak. If nobody is around, Quail's," "don't ask, don't tell," works best.














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Got the runs at altitude in a balloon I was PIC in. Those cows down below must have wondered how it could rain shit on them. My wife was supportive but did laugh pretty hard. Glad she had some paper products in her purse. Now my supplies in all flying machines have been updated.
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flightlogic wrote:Got the runs at altitude in a balloon I was PIC in. Those cows down below must have wondered how it could rain shit on them. My wife was supportive but did laugh pretty hard. Glad she had some paper products in her purse. Now my supplies in all flying machines have been updated.


Given what those cows do to our family farm when the break through the fence, that seems like just revenge.
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flightlogic wrote:Got the runs at altitude in a ______ I was PIC in.


I think this is my greatest fear as a pilot. I fear I would behave irrationally, and probably land anywhere suitable, sheriff be damned.
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