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On Thursday October 3, RAF Director Tim Clifford and Maryland State Liaison Craig McCullough were invited to participate in a US Congressional round table discussion regarding general aviation's impact on small business in America.

Joining the RAF on the panel were new AOPA president Mark Baker, GAMA president Pete Bunce, NBAA's Ed Bolen and executives from other major aviation organizations. These industry leaders were invited to appear before members of the House Committee on Small Business that included Chairman Sam Graves, and Rep.Blaine Luetkemeyer as well as Rep. Frank LoBiondo who also sits on the House Transportation & Infrastructure Committee.

Although the group convened under the cloud of the government shutdown, according to Tim, "It was business as usual for these legislators who genuinely wanted to learn about the far reaching economic impact of GA."

While much of the discussion centered around regulation and rule making that impedes the growth of aviation manufacturing and use, the RAF team took a different approach. Recognizing that many members of congress have little or no knowledge of recreational aviation, the RAF team drew analogy to other more common motorized recreation including boating and motor home travel. Comparing to motor home travel, it was discussed that today you can purchase either a used Luscombe airplane or a Winnebago camper for less than $20,000; you can also buy a new Kodiak aircraft or Prevost motor coach for $1.5 million. Both forms of recreational vehicle are available for just about any price in between. In this way it was emphasized that aviation is not so different from other forms of recreational travel, should not be excluded from public lands and is certainly not just the realm of the wealthy and elite!

In discussion of recreational aviation's economic impact, it was explained that our type of aircraft are usually built or re-built, hangared and maintained by small businesses. An aircraft sitting in a hangar, before it ever flies, has significant economic impact in the forms of hangar rent, insurance, annual inspection and periodic maintenance. And, when we travel we land at small airports, patronizing small businesses in small town America on our journeys.

Like the motor home enthusiast, recreational aviators use their chosen form of transportation to arrive at some fun destination. The conclusion was drawn for the panel that while both travel for the same reason, when the destination happens to be the federal system of parks and forests, the motor home is most often welcomed with substantial facilities improvements to accommodate their stay while the aircraft is heavily restricted in, discouraged from or denied access to use of any facilities.

It was also noted that the one significant difference is that these other forms of recreational transportation can have a far greater negative environmental impact utilizing generators and driven tires as opposed to our group of tent campers leaving only a 30 second sound signature when we depart.
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Good stuff! I like the way they compared things. I often get surprised reaction when I say my airplane is as much as a new Subaru outback!!!
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Dear Robert,

A message to fellow recreational and backcountry aviators from Chuck Jarecki, Montana Pilots Association Western Director, RAF Director.

Recently I received a report from my friend Steve Durtschi in Utah. Steve is president of the Utah Back Country Pilots Association, an organization that has been instrumental in saving many of the great recreational airstrips in that state. The airstrip mentioned in the report, Mexican Mountain, is truly outstanding for camping, hiking and exploring the beautiful red rock country of the area. It is located in southeastern Utah within a BLM administered Wilderness Study Area. Access is only by hikers, horseback riders and pilots. My wife Penny and I have camped there numerous times, often with other pilot friends from Montana and other states as well. We have always found the area to be trash-free.

What Steve reports below is intolerable at any back country airstrip. Because this blatant irresponsibility reflects on all users of the area, including pilots, it is totally unacceptable. This is the sort of behavior that aviation critics focus on as they work to close back country airstrips. Please read Steve’s report. I have edited it somewhat in the interest of brevity.

Dear Utah Back Country Pilots:

The purpose of this E-mail is to describe abuse observed at a Utah back country landing strip camp site. It just so happens that I observed the conditions first hand and feel an obligation to report them to pilots. I would expect the same from all UBCP members. If you see something that does not belong or is out of place, I would hope you would contact the appropriate agency directly or UBCP through the web site. We can help by getting the word out to all members.

After a successful fly-in at Huntington, Utah, a UBCP board member and I decided to spend a day at Mexican Mountain before heading home. Upon arriving on a perfect fall day, we observed that one of the camp sites had been left in a manner that can only be described as disappointing and saddening. Broken orange clay birds used for shotgun practice littered the area. The fire pit was a mass of melted shot shells, the charred brass bottoms remaining. The fire pit also contained many hands-full of spent .38 Special, 9mm, and .30-06 casings. Many other spent rounds of the same type were scattered about. A live cottonwood tree at the camp site had been stripped of bark in what looked like an attempt to create a flat spot to possibly post a target and was peppered with gun shots, including at least one shotgun blast. (I should note that it is impossible to determine if the shooting practice at the camp site and the tree were done in the same or un-related events).

The BLM is looking to the Utah pilot community for guidance as to the management of this landing strip. But, they are tasked first and foremost with protecting the Wilderness Study Area that encompasses it. They can meet this mandate in one of three ways. Responsible user groups can police their own and ensure wilderness compliance. If that fails, the BLMs own law enforcement arm can and will enforce compliance. And finally, if that fails, the BLM will have no recourse but to shut the landing strip down.

The "Mission Statement" of UBCP has been to first promote flying safety, second, protect and maintain Utah back country landing strips, and third, to promote a leave-no-trace camping ethic. The leave-no-trace culture is by now hard-wired into pilots. I have learned that it goes deeper than taking everything out you brought in. Fortunately, we had some trash bags and were able to clean up the camp site and the surrounding area and haul the offending material out. (I would recommend every pilot permanently carry several trash bags.)

In twenty-five years of flying the back country, I have observed trash left behind by pilots only once or twice. Many people besides pilots visit Mexican Mountain and camp at the landing strip. It is a popular destination for hikers and horseback riders. I have even known at least one Llama pack train to visit. I dearly hope that whoever camped at Mexican Mountain that night did not get there in an airplane, but the likely reality is that hikers would probably not carry in a heavy box of clay birds and a pack train would not discharge firearms with animals nearby. I am not hunting the perpetrator or looking to cast blame. My purpose is to simply report my observation so that we all might be better stewards of the back country.

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Just recieved this, looks like some one kinda screwed the pooch!! #-o Thought I would pass it on!
Sure hope it was not one of ours!! [-X IF it is, hope you take note and Pack it in and Pack it out!! =D>

A message to fellow recreational and backcountry aviators from Chuck Jarecki, Montana Pilots Association Western Director, RAF Director.

Recently I received a report from my friend Steve Durtschi in Utah. Steve is president of the Utah Back Country Pilots Association, an organization that has been instrumental in saving many of the great recreational airstrips in that state. The airstrip mentioned in the report, Mexican Mountain, is truly outstanding for camping, hiking and exploring the beautiful red rock country of the area. It is located in southeastern Utah within a BLM administered Wilderness Study Area. Access is only by hikers, horseback riders and pilots. My wife Penny and I have camped there numerous times, often with other pilot friends from Montana and other states as well. We have always found the area to be trash-free.

What Steve reports below is intolerable at any back country airstrip. Because this blatant irresponsibility reflects on all users of the area, including pilots, it is totally unacceptable. This is the sort of behavior that aviation critics focus on as they work to close back country airstrips. Please read Steve’s report. I have edited it somewhat in the interest of brevity.

Dear Utah Back Country Pilots:

The purpose of this E-mail is to describe abuse observed at a Utah back country landing strip camp site. It just so happens that I observed the conditions first hand and feel an obligation to report them to pilots. I would expect the same from all UBCP members. If you see something that does not belong or is out of place, I would hope you would contact the appropriate agency directly or UBCP through the web site. We can help by getting the word out to all members.

After a successful fly-in at Huntington, Utah, a UBCP board member and I decided to spend a day at Mexican Mountain before heading home. Upon arriving on a perfect fall day, we observed that one of the camp sites had been left in a manner that can only be described as disappointing and saddening. Broken orange clay birds used for shotgun practice littered the area. The fire pit was a mass of melted shot shells, the charred brass bottoms remaining. The fire pit also contained many hands-full of spent .38 Special, 9mm, and .30-06 casings. Many other spent rounds of the same type were scattered about. A live cottonwood tree at the camp site had been stripped of bark in what looked like an attempt to create a flat spot to possibly post a target and was peppered with gun shots, including at least one shotgun blast. (I should note that it is impossible to determine if the shooting practice at the camp site and the tree were done in the same or un-related events).

The BLM is looking to the Utah pilot community for guidance as to the management of this landing strip. But, they are tasked first and foremost with protecting the Wilderness Study Area that encompasses it. They can meet this mandate in one of three ways. Responsible user groups can police their own and ensure wilderness compliance. If that fails, the BLMs own law enforcement arm can and will enforce compliance. And finally, if that fails, the BLM will have no recourse but to shut the landing strip down.

The "Mission Statement" of UBCP has been to first promote flying safety, second, protect and maintain Utah back country landing strips, and third, to promote a leave-no-trace camping ethic. The leave-no-trace culture is by now hard-wired into pilots. I have learned that it goes deeper than taking everything out you brought in. Fortunately, we had some trash bags and were able to clean up the camp site and the surrounding area and haul the offending material out. (I would recommend every pilot permanently carry several trash bags.)

In twenty-five years of flying the back country, I have observed trash left behind by pilots only once or twice. Many people besides pilots visit Mexican Mountain and camp at the landing strip. It is a popular destination for hikers and horseback riders. I have even known at least one Llama pack train to visit. I dearly hope that whoever camped at Mexican Mountain that night did not get there in an airplane, but the likely reality is that hikers would probably not carry in a heavy box of clay birds and a pack train would not discharge firearms with animals nearby. I am not hunting the perpetrator or looking to cast blame. My purpose is to simply report my observation so that we all might be better stewards of the back country.

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Latest RAF Update Mexican Mountain

This is one of my pet peeves, guys that leave shooting debris behind.

22 Long rifle doesn't count. Empty shotshells drive me berserk!

I could give a rats ass about busted clay birds they biodegrade. I know others will disagree.

In the case of Mexican mountain or anything else in wilderness or wilderness study areas that is not a good place to shoot clay birds.

Just my two cents worth.

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OregonMaule wrote:I could give a rats ass about busted clay birds they biodegrade. I know others will disagree.


Yup, others will disagree. :-)

My understanding is that unless you go out of your way to buy biodegradable targets that the clay lasts a really, really long time. Even with the biodegradable ones you're leaving your crap laying around for a couple years.

But we agree that the airstrip isn't a good place to be doing that in any case.
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Fifty years ago in the Cub Scouts we were taught you either bury or pack out what you brought in. I've lived that since, including policing my brass when hunting.

We were taught the same in E&E school.

I can't imagine leaving anything behind that indicates I was there, other then footprints and tire tracks.

Anything less gives ammo to those who would seal off the backcountry. IMO anyway.
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I agree...you bring it in, you bring it out. The RAF works its butt off to keep these places open and accessible. Why would anyone leave all their crap around for others to look at or have to pick up? The environuts will use situations like this to shut down Mexican Mt and any other backcountry strips they can. Arguing over what is biodegradable is foolish. (unless you are trying to justify your refusal to pick up after yourself) Can I dump my rotten apples, banana peals and coffee grounds in your front yard because they biodegrade? I am sure the vast majority here are outstanding stewards of the environment.

Please, Don't leave your crap behind!

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This is not good. The BLM is not happy and news of this has spread to neighboring BLM state offices. Let's hope their knee jerk reaction doesn't take place; it would be really bad for all of us. I'd suggest contacting whatever pilot advocacy group you are apart of and have them contact the local BLM office to see what can be done to educate pilots and to come up with a proper solution. Just like anything else it is the 1% that ruin it for the remaining 99%.

Timing is bad too...hope we don't see BLM LEOs at the High Sierra fly-in this weekend but it wouldn't surprise me if we do.
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whee wrote:Timing is bad too...hope we don't see BLM LEOs at the High Sierra fly-in this weekend but it wouldn't surprise me if we do.


Nah man, you should *pray* that some show up. What better way to fight this incident but by showing them 30-50 planes and 100 people treating the wilderness right and engage the LEOs in friendly conversation.
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Your right rw2. That's a better way to look at it.
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whee wrote:Timing is bad too...hope we don't see BLM LEOs at the High Sierra fly-in this weekend but it wouldn't surprise me if we do.


Nah man, you should *pray* that some show up. What better way to fight this incident but by showing them 30-50 planes and 100 people treating the wilderness right and engage the LEOs in friendly conversation.


Moving targets for our pumpkin drop. But hey pumpkins are so bio degradable, just like apple cores and banana peels.

Maybe pumpkin drop not such a good idea. I think I'm going to diaper my 540 in case it leaks a drop of oil. I want to leave no trace. Aren't I just a little eco Nazi?

Now before you go getting your panties in a wad I'm just kidding. :-)
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If anyone else wants to, I'm game to head over for an afternoon to clean up after these losers at the strip. It is the perfect season for the Utah back country anyway.
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lesuther wrote:If anyone else wants to, I'm game to head over for an afternoon to clean up after these losers at the strip. It is the perfect season for the Utah back country anyway.


Good for you for wanting to help. But the guys who reported it beat you to it. :-)

Fortunately, we had some trash bags and were able to clean up the camp site and the surrounding area and haul the offending material out. (I would recommend every pilot permanently carry several trash bags.)
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