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Mauel MT-7-235 - Question

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Skystrider wrote:Hey Bub,

The seat is not attached to the floor. It is held in place by two rods going through the seat fabric side to side. Kinda like a curtain.

There are two 1/2" bolts that hold the upper back seat rod flange in place on the right side. Remove those two bolts, turn and lower the rod and pull/slide it out from the right side. Push the lower rod (front of seat by feet) towards the left side till the other end comes free and pull the seat out. Thats it. About 5 minutes when you allow looking for a wrench.

The luggage door (third door on the right) makes it real easy to get the seat out.


There is a kit that esentially replaces the bolts with quick release pins. With the pins it takes less than 30 sec.
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A minor "slightly over gross weight" incident. Note that the wings did not come off this airplane, even though the pilot tried to take them off with a light pole while in ground effect.

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Several passes at a 6000 foot float pond, unsuccessful. Wait till late at night and give er another try....

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So what you're trying to say is...

The plane flies like shit above max gross.
Stall speed is too high to land in a decent distance.
Exceeding max gross = bad.
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Hottshot wrote:Bub--

It takes about 5 min in or out even with out the quick release.... Two bolts at the top and I think one at the bottom (Been a while)


Bub, My 2000 M7 is slightly different. No bolts. Two quick release pins and one spring loaded button. Comes out in 1 min flat. Back in 2 min. That is if I have not been drinking. Cheers...Rob
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On my next annual, I want to have you around to remove my co-pilots seat. I'd like to know how you got a good nights sleep after that friggin spring ripped the skin off four of your fingers. Also, how'd you get it back in place to leave? On my plane, you have to stretch that same friggin spring until it has the equivalent energy of half a stick of dynamite and then hook into that teeny, teeny hole that only a Cirque du Soleil contortionist has any hope of seeing. If you were Helen Keller with Mike Tysons arms grafted on, it might be easy. Rather than risk injury in the bush, I will continue to sleep in the semi-fetal position.

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Mike, you sure know how to extend a thread :lol: :lol:
Your point is well taken though. Folks should respect numbers at the edge of the envelope and just learn to play inside the fence. I think max gross weight is abused more regularly than, say, Vne, but they are both valid operational limitations. Will your wings fall off if you exceed Vne by 5%? Probaly not, but you had better be smooth on the controls and you had better not encounter any turbulence. Being anywhere outside the fence exposes you to hazards that require additional considerations that you may not be aware of. The insidious nature of max gross makes it potentially the most dangerous (Damn, I forgot the bowling balls!!) because it doesn't LOOK dangerous. The sight picture from my plane at Vne is scary enough to discourage frequent visits, but the four bowling balls fit nicely way in the back.

I wish folks would look more at the latitude they have in the smooth grassy playground inside the envelope. The OP was ready to dismiss the Maule on the basis of useful load. Useful load though, is more than a mere number. Here's another real life example: I left Anchorage Lake Hood Strip with 3 people and bags, flew to Ninilchik on the Kenai peninsula near Homer. Spent the day on the beach, unloaded one passenger and bags, removed the rear seat and loaded in 4 big coolers of ice and salmon. These were coolers that my straw-sized arms couldn't handle alone, but all together didn't put us over gross, not by a long shot. We were off the gravel strip in a few hundred feet, took the long way home and landed with plenty of fuel. Nothing challenging, nothing extraordinary, but the long winded point of the story is that with a Husky, the whole "mission" would have become a fox/chicken/grain problem requiring multiple trips. I think this is what some of the posters were hinting at. Flexibility doesn't have a number attached to it, so it's much harder to judge. If the "mission" is to land on a sand bar shorter and rougher than Greg or Lonnie, you'll probably end up on your back one day. Meanwhile, I will be having a great time just enjoying the hell out of my plane, flying around the playground.
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Motorcitymaule wrote:Capt. Kirk I really like that "mauleish" comment to Student pilot :lol: .



Yep , that was an all time classic, got me a bewdy, I laughed for hours, Maulish! Fantastic, split my sides :roll: :D


Motorcitymaule wrote:OK back to the original thread. useful loads
Maule M-7 235 Oloe gear - 895lbs
M-7 235 Spring gr - 847lbs
MT-7 235 - 835lbs as stated in the 1st post
MX-7 180 Oloe -1062lbs
MX-7 180 Spring -1017lbs

Husky A-1A -700lbs
Husky A-1b -810lbs


Cessna 172 D, Delair 180 HP conversion. (actual weights)
Empty -1352lbs
Upped gross with STC -2500lbs
Load -1148lbs
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Student Pilot: I really liked the "Mauleish" joke. It's not an all time classic but i did actually LOL. I really really like your statement on the 172 more bushworthy thread

The mighty PA22 Tripacer is another, the most hansomest flying machine ever built.


This is great :D I think it might be the funniest thing i have read on this website. Just looking at the words makes me smile ear to ear. I picked up my wife from work and told her about it. i got her laughing, and she knows little about airplanes.
Its no wonder why old timer Maule secretly stole the blueprints to the tripacer from the top secret Piper factory and flew his M-1 back home just to start working on the M-4-5-6-7. :P The guy had good taste.
I'm really starting to like these Tripacers. :D :D
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Student Pilot wrote: The mighty PA22 Tripacer is another, the most hansomest flying machine ever built.


Motorcitymaule wrote:This is great :D :DI'm really starting to like these Tripacers. :D :D



They are only just slightly better looking than a Tri Gear Maule, if the Maule had a Piper flash on the tail then it would be a dead heat. :shock:
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hahahah

Capt. Kirk

On my next annual, I want to have you around to remove my co-pilots seat. I'd like to know how you got a good nights sleep after that friggin spring ripped the skin off four of your fingers. Also, how'd you get it back in place to leave? On my plane, you have to stretch that same friggin spring until it has the equivalent energy of half a stick of dynamite and then hook into that teeny, teeny hole that only a Cirque du Soleil contortionist has any hope of seeing. If you were Helen Keller with Mike Tysons arms grafted on, it might be easy. Rather than risk injury in the bush, I will continue to sleep in the semi-fetal position.


Hahahahaha...My seats are always all the way back so there's no need for me to have those springs in there. Those only help the "shorties" pull the seat up if need be. The front seats in the M4 come out as easy (maybe a bit easier) than the back seat. Just two small bolts removed from the back seat truss and slide the seat all the way forward and out it comes. If you're not constantly adjusting the seats, get rid of the springs.
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mtv wrote:A minor "slightly over gross weight" incident. Note that the wings did not come off this airplane, even though the pilot tried to take them off with a light pole while in ground effect.

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Several passes at a 6000 foot float pond, unsuccessful. Wait till late at night and give er another try....

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Wow, it looks like those Maules have a really stout cabin area! :)

I'm gonna need a definition on "slightly" here. I've been 200 over (on wheels) on a 3000 mile flight up from the lower 48 through the trench and my plane doesn't look like that one. No, I'm not condoning going over weight and no I don't make a habit of doing it. I would guess that may be a lower HP plane, high density altitude and/or "slightly" would be in the 300+ range.
I also think the pilot should have taken a clue from his first failed take-off attempts...if that's what really happened...I need to be careful about hearsay though :D
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Not to stir the pot too much, but I think what nobody wants to admit but everyone's thinking, is that "overweight" means you can't get up and climb, where as "over gross" means the numbers in the POH don't match what you actually weigh.

A Maule M-whatever is going to have the same gross weight limit regardless of the engine power, which means a 180hp Maule will have a higher useful load than one powered by a Allison B-17. Using MTV's photo example of what happens to an overweight plane...well, they would have been even more overweight with the Allison up front, but I bet they wouldn't have crashed.

If pilot X didn't give himself a 10% fudge factor over what Cessna tells him, he really couldn't use his plane as a two person aircraft in the West. And mathematically, a utility category aircraft overloaded by 10% is structurally stronger than a normal category plane at gross. Past that, it's really a matter of horse power and whether your insurance will cover you should you need it.

That's not testosterone-fueled bullshit, that's the reality of flying across Nevada with two people, MINIMAL baggage, and enough fuel to make it to the next gas pump in a (very) small plane. I suspect a lot of people do similar calculations, and whether they get away with it depends on how careful they are and how well they understand their airplane.

Look at the redundant accidents which result from under-gross airplanes trying to take off from high density altitudes, or from under-gross planes taking off with frost on the wings, or the gust lock still attached, or with a cinder block tied to the rear wheel, or...

I agree that flying over-gross is a bad idea. So is landing with the FAA minimum fuel reserve, or flying over a cloud deck because you think you can get down on the other side, or flying a single engine plane over mountains at night, or a thousand other things pilots do, some of them legal and some of them not.

It's a thinking person's occupation. Being under-gross is no more of a guarantee that you won't roll it up in a ball than being over-gross guarantees you will.
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Capt. Kirk wrote:[
Wow, it looks like those Maules have a really stout cabin area! :)

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AND even balled up that much it will STILL cost half as much as a Cessna to rebuild!!! :shock: Image


Not to beat a Image but......Image You guys crack me up~~
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Nothing to do with the fuselage structure. He was hanging on the prop half a mile or better from takeoff, hanging in ground effect, couldn't climb out of ground effect. He hit a light pole, about 25 feet high, with the right wing, which probably saved his life, and that of his young son, who was in the right seat. The next thing he would have hit is a VERY large, concrete block building.

I'd bet that hitting that building, even at minimum speed would have tested the fuselage slightly beyond its' limits.

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