I will probably try to just leave a junker down there to drive. I don't mind the Freak Show on the bus once in a while. When I go down commercial, it takes just over an hour to fly to LAX and then 2.5 hrs to ride the bus. I know what you mean about the regulars on the bus as I am usually the only "Cracker" on there. There's never a lack of entertainment whether it's really ugly guys in miniskirts or jackasses yelling at each other in some language that only a brother can understand. No place like LA and that's for sure!

Just a reminder, because I know there are many folks on this site who do fly non transponder and are exempt. The rules are not the same for flying under the Mode C veil, as flying under the Class B. You can be exempt and fly under the veil all day long, but flying under the veil while under the class B, you need permission ahead of time. We have done under the B as a flight, and it works like a champ!

As far as TOA is concerned, I think being cautious is great, but it really concerns you to fly into that airspace perhaps it is worth a mental note to review this stuff at your next BFR. It's really not all that bad... There are routinely relatively low time banner pilots dragging rags on the LA 'rush hour' circuit that has you flying off Long beach up the fwy to Burbank, over to Van Nuys down the pass to Santa Monica, past Compton and returning to LGB. All in a Scout, Cub, or Husky rendered aerodynamically challenged by a 300' long tail.... I say if If they can do it, so can you

Take care, Rob

Rob wrote:Just a reminder, because I know there are many folks on this site who do fly non transponder and are exempt. The rules are not the same for flying under the Mode C veil, as flying under the Class B. You can be exempt and fly under the veil all day long, but flying under the veil while under the class B, you need permission ahead of time. We have done under the B as a flight, and it works like a champ!

As far as TOA is concerned, I think being cautious is great, but it really concerns you to fly into that airspace perhaps it is worth a mental note to review this stuff at your next BFR. It's really not all that bad... There are routinely relatively low time banner pilots dragging rags on the LA 'rush hour' circuit that has you flying off Long beach up the fwy to Burbank, over to Van Nuys down the pass to Santa Monica, past Compton and returning to LGB. All in a Scout, Cub, or Husky rendered aerodynamically challenged by a 300' long tail.... I say if If they can do it, so can you

Take care, Rob

What Rob said.

Also, what made my flying adventure so much more pleasurable in the LA area was my Garmin 396 and studying the Terminal Map. And just having a good idea where you want to go and how you want to get there. I flew all over that area with ease. I grew up and lived in Fullerton for over 35 years. So flying over that area was pretty cool! I even flew the LAX Mini Route about a dozen times. Pretty easy if you ask me.

Don't be afraid of the ATC in that area neither. I was over thinking my first trip down there, too. But once I got down there, I found ATC to be very helpful. Fullerton Tower was awesome. I think only two guys worked there and got to know them well. The big tires on my 182 got it away that I wasn't from that area. So we sparked up a conversation during quiet times and I mentioned I was from Idaho and did most of my training in uncontrolled airspace. The guy up in the tower mentioned if there's anything they can help with, just ask. Fullerton ATC was awesome to work with!! I hope it's still the same. I haven't been there since 2010.

If I were you and can afford to upgrade and plan to fly down to SoCal often, I would just get a transponder. At least for me, SoCal is kinda interesting to fly around and see the Concrete Jungle from above (I just would never want to move back!!!). Plus, you can fly right into Long Beach (KLGB) and then a very short ride to the marina.

Anyway. That's my 2 cents.

Yep, this is the first plane I've had that doesn't have a transponder but I want to keep it light. I have been thinking of pulling out the giant old radio too and just buying a booster for my handheld. Plus I can't afford gas most of the time. I need to just spend some time with a pilot from the area if I plan on flying around there much. I was really surprise when I first started going down the how few small planes I see there. This Valley has a college with an aviation program and probably 5 other flight schools. It is uncommon to see the sky without a plane in it. After 911, it was really noticeable.

Sorry I'm late to this post, I'm a newbie to this site (joined 1 day ago) and thought this would be pertinent to anyone flying under the Mode C Veil with no electrics.

I have a friend who owns a Cub with no electrics (lest the mags) and keeps it at an airport with within about 3-4nm of SLC (it may even be closer). He doesn't even have a hand-held radio, which he finally got this month. He just picked up the phone called the SLC TRACON / ATC and worked something out. I'm pretty sure he has a standing LOA with SLC nowadays, but unknown. Although, SLC does have a fairly GA friendly Class B airspace / TERPS for the GA "airparks" located so very close to their own runways.

The reference material below talks about 1 time good deals for you via a verbal, and LOAs beyond that.

Here's the reference material for ya guys & gals:
http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publicat ... /0504.html

I hope this helps,
CheemsAF

I need an ez flap handle with quick release chambered in 12 ga.

Double duty, no?

flightlogic wrote:I need an ez flap handle with quick release chambered in 12 ga.

Double duty, no?

I guess that's my welcome to the forum...copy all flightlogic...btw, nice brain bucket.

I hear Mossberg makes a couple, you might try their 535 as long as I'm not in your line of fire.