qmdv wrote:Fields is in Oregon so therefore it has Ethanol in the gas.

Tim

I have been thinking about using mogas, I already have a spare tank and pump.
I know this mogas thing has discussed recently, but I'm still unclear about it's availability.
The local Pacific Pride has a pump that says Ethanol free, I haven't tested it.
I have a friend that gets Eth. free delivered to his place.
Is there no completely Eth. free gas in Oregon?

There are several ethanol free gasoline sources in Oregon. Few stations have it available. I get mine from Colvin oil in Medford, Oregon of at Hayse Oil. They are bulk plants and will make local deliveries. I am in Nor Cal just 65 miles south of Medford Oregon so when I need to come up for other purposes I fill up a 100 gallon slip tank that I put in my pickup truck.

I said Fields do not have it but I could be wrong. For them to have it they would have to have an extra tank for it and find a jobber that would deliver it way out there.

Tim

STC,
you can fly over to Lebanon State (S30) at get mogas at the airport.

I don't know how far you are from Longview, but Wilcox and Flegel Oil sells clear mogas.

I am not sure if this link has been posted, but its a list of Oregon sites that are ethanol free, courtesy of the Oregon State Marine Board. Not aviation related, but I guess you could fill up your spare tank at the sites.

http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/news/docs/EthanolList.pdf

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I know this mogas thing has discussed recently, but I'm still unclear about it's availability.
The local Pacific Pride has a pump that says Ethanol free, I haven't tested it.
I have a friend that gets Eth. free delivered to his place.
Is there no completely Eth. free gas in Oregon?

Since you are specifically asking about Oregon, this is the situation.

Oregon is a mandatory E10 state, with exceptions for aviation, marine, etc. and any station that wants to pump ethanol free premium gas. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT IN THE LAW THAT ETHANOL FREE GASOLINE BE MADE AVAILABLE. That being said, it is still available now, but the future is unclear.

It is mandatory that pumps be labeled. They will either have a label stating that the pump provides E10, or the pump provides ethanol free gasoline. There is none of this "May contain up to 10% ethanol". It is either E10 or E0. However be advised that the state Dept. of Weights and Measures has no portable test equipment to determine the blending level of the E10, so it may have more or less, who knows? They do have a ethanol/no ethanol tester, which is the water test and they do test those pumps that say E0 or ethanol free and they better be E0 or they will shut the pump down.

The only public use airport in Oregon with mogas on the airport is Lebanon State, S30 as others have pointed out. I urge you to support Larry Knox at S30. It is self serve premium so you can put it in anything you drive up to the pump, airplane, boat, car, snow mobile, jet ski, whatever.

The web site noted above supported by the Oregon State Marine Board is the best source of which stations and marinas have ethanol free gasoline, but it is not completely accurate. There is no state requirement that vendors of ethanol free gasoline inform OSMB when they sell ethanol free gasoline, and worse when they stop selling it as will happen in the future. The station owners do not know about the web site. I have personally added three sources to OSMB from here in central Oregon and talked to the station owners, and they didn't have a clue, so don't take that list as gospel. If you run across a station with a pump marked E0 or No Ethanol that isn't on the list it should be good, but if you are going to put it in your airplane, test it.

The future does not look good. There is no clear finished gasoline coming down the Olympic pipeline from Washington anymore, so all of the ethanol free gasoline comes by railroad tank car, truck tank or barge. One of the four big refineries (BP) on the pipeline no longer makes clear finished gasoline, the others will follow as all of the gasoline in Washington goes E10 as it will have to to meet the unintended consequences of the blending requirement in the federal RFS mandate in EISA 2007. Enjoy it while you can.

There is no clear finished gasoline coming down the Olympic pipeline from Washington anymore

Not sure if you mean it is sub octane straight gasoline or blended 10% ethanol? I know they're pipelining straight ethanol from Tampa to Orlando.

93Y You said that Oregon can sell clear gas but there is no requirement for anybody to make it. So when Washington goes the way of the eth mandate, there will not be enough of a demand for clear gas to make it worth producing.

Tim

180Marty wrote:

There is no clear finished gasoline coming down the Olympic pipeline from Washington anymore

Not sure if you mean it is sub octane straight gasoline or blended 10% ethanol? I know they're pipelining straight ethanol from Tampa to Orlando.

The only thing coming down the Olympic pipeline is BOB (Blendstock for Oxygenate Blending). BOB is not legal gasoline for sale. Not only is it suboctane, it will have other parameters tweaked, especially vapor pressure, to produce legal gasoline after 10% ethanol is added. No terminal would sell it to you.

qmdv wrote:93Y You said that Oregon can sell clear gas but there is no requirement for anybody to make it. So when Washington goes the way of the eth mandate, there will not be enough of a demand for clear gas to make it worth producing.

Tim

This is a possible outcome. There will not be much economic incentive for a refinery to make finished clear gasoline and it is more of a hassle to ship it by non pipeline means. The BP refinery has already made the choice, one down three to go. Much will depend on if state legislatures wake up to the economic damage, especially in the marine environment which should be important to Washington, and threat to public safety that will be caused if there is no ethanol free gasoline. If a state can pass a law making it mandatory that all gasoline be E10, as Oregon has done, they can pass a law prohibiting the blending of ethanol in premium unleaded.

Another link about clear mogas locations in Oregon, this one is from the Oregon Department of Aviation.
http://www.oregon.gov/Aviation/E10.shtml

Small Tail Caddy wrote:.....
I know this mogas thing has discussed recently, but I'm still unclear about it's availability. The local Pacific Pride has a pump that says Ethanol free, I haven't tested it......

So just buy a gallon and take it home and test it. Then you'll be clear. Seems pretty simple to me.
I have at least one good source here in NW Washington where I buy almost all my gas for both the airplane & my cars. Pump labelling or not, I test all the gas I buy for the plane to make sure it is still E-zero.