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Northern CA Flying 12/26? Chicken Strip?

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Hey wait one... :lol: :lol: This is pretty cool. If you go to Nellis AFB naturally you can access the same document library. So just put in bogus document number and they will present you with a search box. Enter whatever you want such as R4807A. It gives you a link to the document as well as any pictures or videos that might be available. This isn't that easy (I don't know how) to navigate directly to the document library (all you get are error messages). I need to spend some more time looking at this. Naturally the one I want is 239 pages. Project for another day.
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OregonMaule wrote:Now that is gov BS at its best. Charts, lines, descriptions, pictures, every possible contingency put in writing. I'll be dead before I could read all that. WTF I hope when their 150M dollar jet eats my Maule it crashes. MOA=Maule Operating Area

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Sorry to upset you, I was just throwing some info out there. The users guide is geared toward military pilots, so I can see where the civilian side may not have experience sifting though the BS and picking out the important stuff.
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mjb123 wrote:
OregonMaule wrote:Now that is gov BS at its best. Charts, lines, descriptions, pictures, every possible contingency put in writing. I'll be dead before I could read all that. WTF I hope when their 150M dollar jet eats my Maule it crashes. MOA=Maule Operating Area

Good day


Sorry to upset you, I was just throwing some info out there. The users guide is geared toward military pilots, so I can see where the civilian side may not have experience sifting though the BS and picking out the important stuff.


123, don't worry about this guy! When/if you meet him in person, you will totally understand. It will all come together :D :D
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mjb123 wrote:
OregonMaule wrote:Now that is gov BS at its best. Charts, lines, descriptions, pictures, every possible contingency put in writing. I'll be dead before I could read all that. WTF I hope when their 150M dollar jet eats my Maule it crashes. MOA=Maule Operating Area

Good day


Sorry to upset you, I was just throwing some info out there. The users guide is geared toward military pilots, so I can see where the civilian side may not have experience sifting though the BS and picking out the important stuff.


Hey mjb123: no worries! I'm not as upset as I come across. Good info. I'm frustrated because it is complicated. Not your fault.

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Re: Northern CA Flying 12/26? Chicken Strip?

OregonMaule wrote:Now that is gov BS at its best. Charts, lines, descriptions, pictures, every possible contingency put in writing. I'll be dead before I could read all that. WTF I hope when their 150M dollar jet eats my Maule it crashes. MOA=Maule Operating Area

Good day


We look at these a lot. You quickly learn how to sort through the BS and find the information you need.

Keep a good look out when flying through MOAs and alert areas especially near IR/VR routes. I have to remind some of my peers that GA pilots have rights to these areas as well. However, every time a near midair occurs and the GA pilot never even sees how close they came to death it makes it hard to keep people convinced!

A beak to beak encounter with an F-18 will have closure rates so fast you most likely will never even see it! I have experienced this once. We were both flying the same route in opposite directions. We were talking with them the whole time and were separated by altitude. When we arrived on the same leg our closure rate was around 600 knots. They appeared as a blip on our tcas and passed over the top of us in a blink of an eye.

I don't think a lot of GA pilots fully understand the dangers that can be associated with these areas.

This a large post to basically say, keep a sharp eye out and keep in touch with the controlling agency to know if the areas are active.

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Question for you chicken strippers (pun intended):

How serious is the slope and is a downhill takeoff required (turbo C182 in my case, for reference)?

My thinking is that if it's done as a day trip (as I would prefer), the best I can figure we'd get there around 8-9am, soak, and be outta there sometime before noon, but if the winds switch on us, I'd sure not like to be departing downhill but also downwind. Or maybe you guys are doing it as an overnight and leaving first thing in the morning before the winds go?

Always appreciated,

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The strip is 1200' long and down hill enough this time of year you can take off about any time of day
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Question for you chicken strippers (pun intended):

How serious is the slope and is a downhill takeoff required (turbo C182 in my case, for reference)?

My thinking is that if it's done as a day trip (as I would prefer), the best I can figure we'd get there around 8-9am, soak, and be outta there sometime before noon, but if the winds switch on us, I'd sure not like to be departing downhill but also downwind. Or maybe you guys are doing it as an overnight and leaving first thing in the morning before the winds go?

Always appreciated,

Mike


My two cents, and this is coming from someone who has been into Chicken Strip exactly ONCE more than you have, so take it for what it is worth.

It would have to be blowing damn hard from the north before I'd ever think about taking off that direction. The strip is plenty long with good slope to the south for a turbo 182. I'd bet that with enough wind from the north direction you could probably outclimb the strip gradient and the rising terrain behind it, but if the wind was blowing that hard to where it would be comfortable to do it, and it was blowing too hard to take off downwind, I'd probably want to wait until the wind mellowed out anyway.

One of the Chicken Strip regulars might be able to comment with a little more strip experience under their belt, but it seemed that the wind wanted to blow upslope anyway as the day warmed, as you would expect, making the takeoff to the south into the wind.

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Good points, guys. Thanks for the info.
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