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Strata Rocketeer wrote:
Supercubber wrote:...News story just broke where oil company CEO's are claiming they are going to charge what ever the market will bear to reward their stockholders...


I really can't imagine an oil company CEO sayin' that, at least not within earshot of a reporter.

Sounds like typical stir up the masses MSM bullshit to me.


I can believe it, it's actually the way it should be. If you are a capitalist this is the business model. If you believe in capitalism as I do then you will believe that this or something like this will be the stimuli that will get an alternate energy source of some kind going. There have been alternates for years, it's just that oil has always been cheaper. Maybe that's fixing to change?
So how long do we have to wait for Mr. fusion?
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I can understand a company wanting to reward it's stockholders. As an oil company stockholder I'm glad to hear it. I just can't see an oil company exec making statements of this sort in the current political environment. It's just beggin' for another invitation to a congressional hearing or more talk of idiotic windfall profits taxation. Better for the oil companies to stay under the radar on this one.

Most folks don't have a clue about how the oil industry works or it's cyclical nature. The oil companies profits were practically nonexistent in the 90's, but the ever increasing worldwide demand is finally ushering in a profit boom for them.

New technologies and alternate fuel sources are now economically viable and potentially profitable now. Maybe we should be thanking the oil companies for the economic jump start of these other sources of energy. The big question now; is the economy strong enough to absorb the impact of the transition period while we bring these new technologies online?
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I just realized that when it hits $6/gal, it will be a dollar a pound. Ever seen 510 lbs of hamburger? I figure I might go through a few cows worth on the way to Alaska this summer.
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Yellowbelly wrote:I just realized that when it hits $6/gal, it will be a dollar a pound. Ever seen 510 lbs of hamburger? I figure I might go through a few cows worth on the way to Alaska this summer.


If fuel prices keep going up, hamburger is going to be the only thing in our freezer.

I really need to go out and shoot something.
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Strata Rocketeer wrote:
I really can't imagine an oil company CEO sayin' that, at least not within earshot of a reporter.


Guess you missed the interview, the Exxon CEO not only said it within earshot of a reporter, he said it during an interview on TV news. :(
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Are you talkin' about the new CEO or Lee Raymond, who just retired with that paltry half billion dollar pension?

I *can* see Lee Raymond thumbing his nose at the media and sayin' that. He doesn't really have to worry about an invitation to a hearing on Capitol Hill anymore either, now does he? Not that he'd accept the invite anyway.

That was one hell of a compensation package he got, wasn't it? It's good to be a CEO of big oil these days...actually it always has been.
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I watched the interview - The guy seemed honest- It opened my eyes when he said they sell to hundreds of countries around the world - its a big market.

Does anyone know what the profit is for the oil companies on a gallon of gas? From what I understand, even if they earned zero profit per gallon, the price would still be really high.

Its all way over my head :shock:
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They claim the taxes on each gallon of gasoline is more than the profit taken by the oil companies. :roll:

The retirement pensions of the CEOs are only part of it. When they are recruited by a company, the guaranteed sign on bonuses, stock options etc are mind boggling.
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Tango Unicorn wrote:...Does anyone know what the profit is for the oil companies on a gallon of gas?


The average profit per gallon is around nine cents for the oil companies. Can't remember if that's at the wholesale level or the refinery.

I've heard figures of 12-30 cents total at the pump depending on the retailer (that includes the oil companies profits). Taxes are around 19 cents federal and your state taxes can vary quite a bit depending on where you are (Wikipedia says 10-33 cents). Somes states actually base their gas taxes on a percentage of wholesale price so as the price goes up so does your taxes.

The current Nymex wholesale gasoline futures price is $2.03/ga.

These figures are for auto gas.
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Makes me wish I had appreciated it more when it was cheaper. :-({|=
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SW News Herald ^ | 5-8-06 | DANIEL JOHN SOBIESKI

If anyone wonders why gasoline prices have soared above $3 a gallon at the pump, consider the fact that on the same day that the House of Representatives passed a bill that would allow the Federal Trade Commission to investigate and punish oil companies that conspire to keep prices up, it failed to pass a measure to promote expansion of U.S. oil-refining capacity.

Consider as well that those to whom the basic laws of supply and demand are a complete mystery are themselves conspiring to keep oil priced high by preventing oil development in a tiny portion of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and in areas of the Outer Continental Shelf. But instead of looking in the mirror, they blame oil companies and gas station owners for “price-gouging” as demand rises but supply does not.

Those calling for a return of the tax on “windfall profits” ignore the fact that, according to a new report from the Tax Foundation, the biggest profiteers from oil aren’t the companies that produce it and deliver it to our gas tanks, but the federal and state governments that tax it.

Between 1977 and 2004, total federal and state taxes on gasoline sales totaled $1.34 trillion, thanks to average taxes at the pump of about 40 cents a gallon, or more than double the $640 billion of oil company profits. And that doesn’t include the taxes the oil companies paid on their profits.

Together, the Big Three oil companies, Exxon, ConocoPhillips and Chevron, last quarter earned 8 cents on every dollar of sales. In contrast, Google, Yahoo and eBay made 19 cents on every dollar of sales and no one is accusing them of gouging their customers.

Government taxes take more than four times as much out of our pockets than Exxon’s first quarter profit of $8 billion which occurred largely due to growing worldwide demand, particularly in China and India. Fully 75 percent of Exxon’s sales come from outside the United States.

The way to exert downward pressure on gasoline prices is to increase supply. If President Bill Clinton hadn’t rejected the idea of drilling in ANWR in 1995, we would today have another million barrels of domestic oil per day filling our tanks, creating jobs, and lowering prices, two-thirds of what we now import from Saudi Arabia.

According to a recent National Petroleum Council Study, the portions of the Outer Continental Shel (OCS) off the 48 contiguous states could provide enough gasoline for 116 million cars for 47 years, enough winter heating oil for 47 million homes for over that same period, and enough natural gas to maintain current levels of production for the next seven decades.

The study also found that keeping these areas off limits, as most environmentalists and Democrats want to do, will cost American consumers more than $300 billion in increased energy costs. Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida has introduced legislation that would extend the current OCS moratorium until 2020.

The irony here that under a 1977 agreement engineered by Jimmy Carter, Communist Cuba is allowed to drill in the Gulf of Mexico north from the western tip of Cuba virtually to Key West, Florida and is being helped in that effort by China and India.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that there may be as many as 9 billion barrels of oil in the North Cuba Basin. The Gulf of Mexico may be one of the world’s greatest oil resources but, under current policy, we won’t know until others find it.

We import some 1.75 million barrels of oil a day from Mexico. Much of that oil comes from the Cantarell oil field off the Yucatan peninsula. Mexico has just discovered a second giant oil field, Noxol, not far from Cantarell, estimated to contain as much as 10 billion barrels of oil.

The next time you fill up at the pump, ponder the prospect of Chinese oil rigs pumping oil for Castro’s Cuba 50 miles off the Florida coast.
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Strata,
Johnson's great society has to be paid for somehow. The only sure thing is that it will continue to be more expensive as time goes on. If you work for a living, you have to support more than just your family.
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Opecs strategy was to make it cheaper for us to buy than what it cost for us to drill it. They were good at keeping the price just under this mark. Now with China hungry for oil they no longer have to worry about exceeding this price.

The lack of Refinery developement is also playing a major role in our increasing fuel prices. We have sufficient raw product inventories, just a shortage of refining capacity.

From everything you read diesel is the future, but to make matters worse the feds have put forth a new regulation for low sulfer based diesel that goes into effect June 1st. This will cause a shortage and escalated prices for diesel.

There's no relief in sight for a good long while. :cry:
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