being that I'm still a fresh pilot with only ~200 hours and this being my second flight review I was pretty nervous. I wanted to get back to Boise and go up with matt again but i couldn't get ever there. I ended up using a guy here in Idaho Falls that has been instructing here since 1947. He demonstrated a series of accelerated stalls while in a turn, kinda like if you stalled turning base to final and kept yanking on the stick...great way to kill yourself.

We did some stalls while in a turn. instead of recovering while in the turn like I was taught during my last flight review two years ago I was instructed to recover with wings level. I think it recovers faster with the wings level but that might just be my lack of skill in recovering while still in the turn. I'm gonna have to go out and practice both methods.

The instructor hadn't been in a luscombe in years so i let him shoot a landing. he never looked at the ASI...I still have to glance at it a couple times on final to make sure my gut is not lying to me. I guess if your good enough to fly about any single engine plane out there then flying a luscombe is nothing.

Hey whee! Congrats on being signed off that you are still fit to fly!

I am sure you know that they can't flunk you - only recommend a bit more training before signing you off. But I know how you feel! I actually look forward to the reviews. I find them fun.

Of course I only feel that way because a couple of reviews ago the first thing my instructor ask me to do was go around and demonstrate a landing in my Maule. I asked if he minded if I used the turf instead of the runway? He said "Go ahead" as he fingered his evaluation notepad. Well, just out of pure luck (and I do mean pure luck!), I absolutely greased one on! You know, the kind of landing where you can't feel the transition from air to ground? So, as I slow down to turn around, I glance over at his notepad and he has written down "Were done!". He then says to me "Fly me somewhere where we can get lunch."

Ever since reviews have been fun!

Nice work, man. I enjoy BFR's but they do cause me a little anxiety. The guy I go to always throws some sort of challenge at me, often in terms of regs, but last time it was hood work and recovery from unusual attitudes under the hood on my old Jimmy Doolittle panel. That was fun. The flight review program is a really good thing in my opinion.

So, you flew with Bob J ??

If so, he's one of the masters.

MTV

yeah...flew with Bob.

Nice work whee...

Hmmm....Idaho Falls in late March....I'll bet you were flying sideways for most of that review

You been over to see Craig in Rexburg lately??? He bought a Carribean model TriPacer and word on the street is he won't quit smiling.

Did my flight review in Oct with the same CFI whom I've done it with the last several times. We did a couple of power on stalls, I recovered...no big deal. Then he said lets do a power on stall to do a spin..OK we did a couple of these..no big deal..recovered from the spin..OK. The he said I wasn't doing a good enough spin ( my tendancy was to recover quickly and this is fairly easy in the Citabria) so he said power on, full aileron, full rudder, and full elevator and put the nose to the sky...WHAM!..when it stalled, it went over inverterted, snapped spun to verticle, and down we went..I thought my head was going to explode..recovered and went back up to altitude to get my brain realigned. NEVER want to do one of those again. Also did a seven mile, 4000ft AGL deadstick landing with a 12 knot, 90 deg crosswind...I guess I passed!

Hey John, Glad to hear you got your BFR taken care of. Just to clarify and not confuse with contradictory info... when we were going over things last BFR you were expanding into more canyon flying and I think the scenario was for a stall during a turn in a confined space and thus the attempt to recover while continuing the turn. Sorry if I implied that as a general practice when you might otherwise have loads of room to go wings level.
If you're back in Idaho Falls, does that mean you are done with school for now? Certainly puts you closer to the plane without having to work out a time share. Hope all is well.
Matt

Just remember that you cannot fail a flight review, and you do not pass a flight review. You simply complete it. It is not a test. That's why they call it a "review"! It is designed to remind you of some things you may not have thought about lately, and maybe give you the chance to practice some things you haven't practiced lately. But it's not a checkride and it should be more fun than work if it's performed properly. (At least that's the way I have always viewed it, and that's the way I conduct them.)

Matt, I did recognize that stall recovery while staying in the turn was not general practice but thanks for making sure I wasn't too confused. It just seemed like recovery was quicker with wings level and that I could recover and get back into the turn without taking up too much additional space. But if I was in a truly confined space I can see how that would never work and recovering while in the turn is a must.

I was hoping to make it to the Big Bar work party tomorrow but I'm still not comfortable with that short of a strip..maybe I'll have to find a time we can get together and work on the areas where I'm lacking.

I have one class left that I am taking independently but I will have to come to Boise a few times in the next couple months...hopefully will be flying and will be able to land at BOI.

62L, I haven't been to Rexburg in a long time so I didnt hear that Craig got a tri-pacer. Glad to hear he got back in the air, he sure seemed bummed when he sold his J-3.

Yeah, I realize you can't really pass or fail but if you finish and the instructor says "we need to work on a few things before I'll sign your book," isn't that pretty much failing???

I think your right whee...if the CFI doesn't sign you off, you are not current, and most probably your insurance is no good if you fly. Check it out.
Yes I agree,if your CFI knows how much, how often, etc. you fly, I believe he is required by the FAR's what you do in the BFR.
Any CFI please comment.
Can't say for other folks, but if I don't come back from a BFR with my back wet, I wasn't really having fun!
HC

hicountry wrote:Can't say for other folks, but if I don't come back from a BFR with my back wet, I wasn't really having fun!

And if I didn't make you sweat just a little bit on your flight review I'm not doing my job correctly!!

hicountry wrote:I believe he is required by the FAR's what you do in the BFR.

Actually, the regulations simply require a minimum of one our of ground training and one hour of flight training. What goes on within those minimum hours is totally up to the CFI and the pilot being reviewed. When I do a flight review with a pilot we tailor the review based on the aircraft being flown and the kind of flying the pilot usually does.

hicountry wrote:I think your right...if the CFI doesn't sign you off, you are not current, and most probably your insurance is no good if you fly.

That depends. If your previous flight review has not yet expired you are not automatically "not current" by starting on a new flight review. There is nothing in 14 CFR 61.56 that says starting a new flight review supersedes the last one. Only if the previous flight review is already expired would the pilot be "non-current" until the new one recorded in the logbook.

And as for the comment that "you need more instruction" means you didn't pass, that's not correct. Again, it's not "pass/fail". You simply have not yet completed the flight review.

Thanks WacoJoe.
Your paragraph:
That depends. If your previous flight review has not yet expired you are not automatically "not current" by starting on a new flight review. There is nothing in 14 CFR 61.56 that says starting a new flight review supersedes the last one. Only if the previous flight review is already expired would the pilot be "non-current" until the new one recorded in the logbook.

Is what I meant, even if I did not state it correctly.