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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor Final thoughts

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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor

Question for you guys who fly in and out of Canada. Going into Canada if I am on VFR flight following will that take the place of a flight plan?

Same question coming back to the US? Does Canada do VFR flight following?

I found out today you can not file a return flight VFR plan. IFR yes. When we did Mexico the return VFR FP was all good.

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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor

Great flight up here this morning. Did you know? Seattle Radio can not close a US FP once I crossed the border. Canada has to close it. OK

Canada Customs didn't want to see me so they said go have fun EH. Park at the Victoria Flying Club. $10.00 over night. The FBO wants $35.00 he Dakota Cafe at the flying club has great food!
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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor

OregonMaule wrote:Great flight up here this morning. Did you know? Seattle Radio can not close a US FP once I crossed the border. Canada has to close it. OK

Canada Customs didn't want to see me so they said go have fun EH. Park at the Victoria Flying Club. $10.00 over night. The FBO wants $35.00 he Dakota Cafe at the flying club has great food!
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Our camp spot for the night. No camp fire. Damn it.
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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor

Eh bud, looks like you had a great getaway...sorry I didnt read the post earlier, would have told you that if you fly US to CAN, CAN has to close your FP...same the other way...I learned that this year flying to Alaska and back few times...got it down path now... you're lucky not to have to clear customs! They always come and greet me although they know who I am now and I try not to carry illegal substances that may send me on a free trip to the east end of Cuba!

I took my Multi at the Victoria Flying Club in 99', great memories, glad you experienced it. When's your trip to AK coming up! Cheers, BCT
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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor

Flight following does not count as a flight plan into Canada AND Canadian Customs requires 2 hrs prior notice while the US requires 1 hr. Your AOE in Canada will close your flight plan if you ask them. In the US you probably need to make the call. Hope you leave plenty of $$$ and learn some proper English. FF
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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor

FloatFlyer wrote:Flight following does not count as a flight plan into Canada AND Canadian Customs requires 2 hrs prior notice while the US requires 1 hr. Your AOE in Canada will close your flight plan if you ask them. In the US you probably need to make the call. Hope you leave plenty of $$$ and learn some proper English. FF

Hi Ford thanks for the insight. I know you have done this like 200 times.

As per AOPA https://www.aopa.org/members/files/trav ... fromCanada
You must call the US Customs and Border Protection office at the AOE directly to give them at least two hours advance notice. Failure to do so will result in a minimum penalty of US$5000

When I called CanPass on Friday for Saturday AM arrival they said I didn't need to call unless I was more than 15 min early or late. Easy to work with, very nice.I filed tonight for return tomorrow, they were so nice. How big will the bill be I get in the mail? LOL They even open my FP automatically if I depart "CLOSE" to my filed time. If I want to change a time just call them. If I call 1hr before departure they will have a squawk code for me. Easy EH

Backcountry Tundra wrote:Eh bud, looks like you had a great getaway...sorry I didnt read the post earlier, would have told you that if you fly US to CAN, CAN has to close your FP...same the other way...I learned that this year flying to Alaska and back few times...got it down path now... you're lucky not to have to clear customs! They always come and greet me although they know who I am now and I try not to carry illegal substances that may send me on a free trip to the east end of Cuba!

I took my Multi at the Victoria Flying Club in 99', great memories, glad you experienced it. When's your trip to AK coming up! Cheers, BCT

Thanks for the feedback BCT. This is not to hard. If any of you are thinking about crossing to Canada, just do it!

Tomorrow, Friday Harbor and Orcas then back to Troutdale.

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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor

A few final thoughts.

Pros:
nice people
beautiful city
good food
awesome wx
float planes and boats out front
beautiful women everywhere

Cons:
expensive
traffic and lights don't seem to be timed
slow speed limits
Airport long way from town

Friday Harbor is a "Landing Rights" airport. CBP are not there all day they do all the boats too. You have to get permission to clear customs there. eApis doesn't mean you will be permitted to clear there. That is a curve ball for a new guy like me. Strike one.
They won't take you when a ferry arrives.

I called 3 hours ahead to tell CBP I would be on time for my appointment. The first guy started out playing the hard ass. He said I didn't have an appointment, I said I have a eApis email that says I do. Then we got into the whole Landing Rights thing. I need to do more research on that. eApis email should remind us of that too.

When I met CBP they said the computer chose my plane for the enhanced search. By this time we are all good with each other position. When I told them I was retired fire it was like we were friends. The enhanced search was easy because we only had 4 small bags.

Flying in and out of Canada is different than Mexico. It is easier. By far.

Going to Canada. File flight plan in US close it with Canada. Going to USA. File FP with Canada close it with US. You can not file your return FP with US before you go. For Mexico you can. Another curve ball. Strike two.

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Really nice. 70*
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Lunch in Friday Harbor. The wife couldn't finish her Marg. She wanted to give it to me. I said no way I am the pilot. :mrgreen:
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Went to Orcas to see fly he had already left. I had never been there so it was a good stop.
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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor Final thoughts

OM, glad you had a decent time and that you were allowed to leave CA! It is my understanding that e-Apis is strictly for the US CBP/Homeland Security BS(bullshit). Has nothing to do with any CA procedures. If you think you are going to be a frequent flier into CA you might consder getting a Can Pass Permit. This is issued to those that are "pre-screened" and considered low risk visitors. Additionaly this permit allows you to clear customs at a few more airports than without a permit AND you can clear customs anytime the tower is open regardless of whether or not you are out side of Custom's hours of operation. I am in the process of renewing my permit, good for 5 yrs. http://cbsa.gc.ca/prog/canpass/menu-eng.html

I am curious why you say that border crossing into or out of Mexico is harder? The filing of a "round robin" flight plan into Mexico is possible, I rarely have a set schedule and therefore never use that type of flight plan. For years I only air filed my flight plan when returning to or leaving the US and that was/is very easy. The flight plan is not restricted to a 1 hr notification, Mexico, or 2 hr notification, Canada, you just have to file one. It IS the Customs notifications and e-Apis filing that has the time requirements.

So how was your customs experience when you returned to the US? Not smuggling any ice wine or hockey pucks were you?? Not sure what else you would consider bringing back except photos and less $$$$. By the way, Black Velvet, ugh, can be bought in most places in the US for $14-$15 per 1.75 ltr bottle and is about $56 in Canada. :shock:
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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor Final thoughts

FloatFlyer wrote:OM, glad you had a decent time and that you were allowed to leave CA! It is my understanding that e-Apis is strictly for the US CBP/Homeland Security BS(bullshit). Has nothing to do with any CA procedures. If you think you are going to be a frequent flier into CA you might consder getting a Can Pass Permit. This is issued to those that are "pre-screened" and considered low risk visitors. Additionaly this permit allows you to clear customs at a few more airports than without a permit AND you can clear customs anytime the tower is open regardless of whether or not you are out side of Custom's hours of operation. I am in the process of renewing my permit, good for 5 yrs. http://cbsa.gc.ca/prog/canpass/menu-eng.html

I am curious why you say that border crossing into or out of Mexico is harder? The filing of a "round robin" flight plan into Mexico is possible, I rarely have a set schedule and therefore never use that type of flight plan. For years I only air filed my flight plan when returning to or leaving the US and that was/is very easy. The flight plan is not restricted to a 1 hr notification, Mexico, or 2 hr notification, Canada, you just have to file one. It IS the Customs notifications and e-Apis filing that has the time requirements.

So how was your customs experience when you returned to the US? Not smuggling any ice wine or hockey pucks were you?? Not sure what else you would consider bringing back except photos and less $$$$. By the way, Black Velvet, ugh, can be bought in most places in the US for $14-$15 per 1.75 ltr bottle and is about $56 in Canada. :shock:


I like Mexico, don't get me wrong. What is easier about Canada is you don't have to play ring around 5 different official getting permits for this that and the other thing. Once you clear customs your done. Hell they didn't even want to see me. Just gave me an arrival number and said go spend all your money EH.

Yes alcohol very expensive up North. Over all I still love the good old USA best!!!

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Re: 6/4-5/2011 Victoria, BC Friday Harbor Final thoughts

Can't argue with you on the US and I enjoy hearing from those that actually visit other places and have a first hand perspective on what is good, bad, and just different in other countries. Maybe you can do a flight to Texas or West Virginia and see if they can understand you and post your results?? :lol:
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