In browsing Skyvector, Red's Horse Ranch is now listed as "Objectionable" on the sectional. Any idea what is going on? I realize it is right next to Minam...

That is weird. WTF?

From faa.gov:

What does "OBJECTIONABLE" stand for on VFR Charts?

The type "OBJECTIONABLE" associated with an airport symbol indicates that an objectionable airspace determination has been made for the airport per FAA Order JO 7400.2 Section 4, Airport Charting and Publication of Airport Data. Objectionable airspace determinations can be based upon a number of factors including conflicting traffic patterns with another airport, hazardous runway conditions, or natural or man-made obstacles in close proximity to the landing area. FAA Regional Airports Offices are responsible for airspace determinations. Address any challenges to objectionable airspace determinations to your FAA Regional Airports Office.

I don't see the value. Who's objecting? The owners of Minam?

I spoke with Rick with the RAF, and he said that the process has been initiated to remove the (pvt) designation from Reds, and the “objectionable” status is probably resulting from that status change. So - good news! RAF FTW!

The title of the post made me a bit nervous!

Glad to see the RAF is on it. One of my favorite spots for a quick weekend.

Let's hope everything goes well with getting it opened fully.

- Adam

Good to hear! Thanks for checking up on it, Jake!

When I registered my airport with the FAA because the preferred direction to land my strip is North (not because of wind but because the north end has trees over 65 foot tall), and departing to the south, and because that would be crossing the approach end of a neighboring airport (that is actually younger than mine but was already registered), the FAA would have to mark my airport Objectionable. Or, I could add the following wording in the remarks and it would not be Objectionable.

- RY 23 RIGHT TRAFFIC PATTERN FOR APPROACHES, KEEPING ALL TRAFFIC TO THE NORTH OF THE ARPT.
- RY 34 RIGHT TRAFFIC PATTERN APPROACH FROM THE NORTH.
- OPNS DEPARTING RY 16 OR ARRIVING RY 34 MUST ANNOUNCE INTENTIONS TO SCOOTER'S TRAFFIC ON LCL UNICOM FREQ.

No biggie.

Scolopax wrote:I spoke with Rick with the RAF, and he said that the process has been initiated to remove the (pvt) designation from Reds, and the “objectionable” status is probably resulting from that status change. So - good news! RAF FTW!

That's great news. Thanks Jake.

Scolopax wrote:I spoke with Rick with the RAF, and he said that the process has been initiated to remove the (pvt) designation from Reds, and the “objectionable” status is probably resulting from that status change. So - good news! RAF FTW!

As everyone may be aware, for many years Red’s Horse Ranch was identified with a ‘Circle R” symbol, indicating the airfield was private and required permission for use by the public. This apparently was a hold-over from when the property was privately owned.

As the airfield has now been for many years on public lands managed by the USFS, the “Circle R” designation was inappropriate. The IAA and RAF have been working together with USFS to change the designation to the “Open Circle”, indicating public use status. The prime driver is Bill Ables out of Enterprise.

Unfortunately, during the change in designation process, the FAA determined that the Red’s and Minam Lodge airfields are too close together and violate some planning standards. Thus, the “Objectionable” designation.

The two airfields have been in use for over 40-years without an incident. The situation will be under review by FAA per FAR Part 157.7 So, we anticipate the “Objectionable” designation will someday be removed. Considering the speed at which the FAA works, that may take quite some time.

In the interim, nothing has changed at either Red’s or Minam Lodge airfields and both are available for for use. We will plan to mow Red's again this Spring using Bird and Bat.

Good looking pair of mules!!

Red's is such a great destination all by itself. The two strips are actually complimentary. Together, they add a significant safety margin under certain circumstances.

CAVU