I'm sure this question must have been answered here many times over, but if someone could please oblige me by giving me a link or something I would be grateful. So here in New York state (Long Island), does anyone know if I'm allowed to land on private property so long as I have permission from the owner? There are a few private strips here on the island, but what about some random field?

Does this vary from county to county? What regulations pertain? I guess it's a question that pertains to off-airport flying in general (something I'd love to do a lot more of), but I just don't know where I can go without getting in trouble.

The site I'm referring to is an R/C flying field. Ultralight pilots land there regularly and I met someone today who flies a Challenger (which I suppose must have an N number) who also lands there. There aren't any houses around, but there's a road within a few hundred feet that gets only light traffic.

So, as long as it's copasetic with the club that owns the field, the FAA shouldn't care if a Stinson lands there. Yes? No? Opinions?

And a different but related question I've been meaning to ask:
I would think that a skiplane would be allowed to land in the winter anywhere a float plane would be allowed to land when there's no ice. Is this a valid assumption? And if so, how can I find out where float planes can and can't land?

FAR 157 I think.

Skydive206 wrote:FAR 157 I think.

FAR 157 - "This part applies to persons proposing to construct, alter, activate, or deactivate a civil or joint-use (civil/military) airport or to alter the status or use of such an airport."

???

Thats the unknown question no matter where you are. I don't think the FAA cares, it is the local governing agency's that care. And then only when someone complains.
Look at your county ordinances. Most times they don't have anything on the books but think they can tell you no. I think the FAA allows 3 TO and Landings a day before you are considered a airstrip.
Just do it.

Keep your N numbers small!

it explains that if you only do limited operations you dont need to apply to be an airport for the FAA.

The FAA could care less where you land. Unless you crash, in which case, they MIGHT consider a careless/reckless, but even that is really doubtful.

The local municipality is the one that probably cares, one way or another. There may be local ordinances against airplane landings. Check with the local constabulary, but make sure you ask them (politely) to SHOW you the statute, if they say no.

As to skis where floats land, the answer is "it depends". Again, on the local provisions. Sorry, but it really isn't that simple.

MTV

Skydive206 wrote:it explains that if you only do limited operations you dont need to apply to be an airport for the FAA.

You don't ever need to apply to the FAA. The vast majority of strips here in Montana, hundreds of them, are not on any charts or registered with the FAA, or anybody else for that matter.

mtv wrote:....The local municipality is the one that probably cares, one way or another. There may be local ordinances against airplane landings. Check with the local constabulary, but make sure you ask them (politely) to SHOW you the statute, if they say no....

The trouble with this approach is that a lot of local authorities are spring-loaded to the "no" position when they are asked by someone for permission (for lack of a better expression) to do something out of the ordinary. "Not zoned for that" or just "that's too dangerous" is a likely response, even if that's not necesarily the case.
May be best to take Nike's advice & just do it. If ultralights are already using the field, I don't imagine anyone will make a fuss. If you have the land-owner's permission, you should be OK -- just don't over run the strip & go through a fence or something.

Most states if your neighbors don't complain you can land and take off . Local laws may involve permits .Tim went to build a "hobby shop" for his place --with a fish for wind sock. If you put up a wind sock you might attract airplanes and liability . I use a American Flag for wind direction. Keep it simple.

It's better to ask forgiveness than permission. Just come upstate with us. We will take you to a hundred places to land.

Tim

hotrod150 wrote:

mtv wrote:....The local municipality is the one that probably cares, one way or another. There may be local ordinances against airplane landings. Check with the local constabulary, but make sure you ask them (politely) to SHOW you the statute, if they say no....

The trouble with this approach is that a lot of local authorities are spring-loaded to the "no" position when they are asked by someone for permission (for lack of a better expression) to do something out of the ordinary. "Not zoned for that" or just "that's too dangerous" is a likely response, even if that's not necesarily the case.
May be best to take Nike's advice & just do it. If ultralights are already using the field, I don't imagine anyone will make a fuss. If you have the land-owner's permission, you should be OK -- just don't over run the strip & go through a fence or something.

And, that is accurate. Like a couple fellows found out down in the Minneapolis area a while back. Landed ski planes on a lake, walked over to have lunch at a restaurant, and came back to find a municipal parks guy writing them tickets. Turns out the municipal parks board prohibits airplane ops on the lakes in their jurisdiction.

So, yes--go for it, but bring your wallet. And, in some cases, like Indian reservations, you MAY lose your airplane.....

MTV

Bonanza Man wrote:

Skydive206 wrote:it explains that if you only do limited operations you dont need to apply to be an airport for the FAA.

You don't ever need to apply to the FAA. The vast majority of strips here in Montana, hundreds of them, are not on any charts or registered with the FAA, or anybody else for that matter.

According to the Reg the FAA might have a different opinion. I am coming up on some of the operating classifications in the Reg. I filled out the 7480-1 but got no response. Ill do it again. I plan on flying here at my Ranch a while and dont want one neibor finding a way to stop me. The county does not require a Use Permit for private airstrips so Im covered there.

If you are just doing a landing here and there not a big deal but remember that the owner may have to deal with the phone calls later. Airplanes bother some people.

My dad landed our 206 in front of the Lancaster Ca Hospital with an injured skydiver (30 years ago). After unloading the skydiver the Police were giving my dad a hard time. 15 minutes of not knowing what to charge him with they let him take off. Couldnt do it again after that.

Okay, thank you everyone very much. I've always been a fan of the philosophy "it's easier to ask forgiveness..."

justine wrote:Okay, thank you everyone very much. I've always been a fan of the philosophy "it's easier to ask forgiveness..."

And like MTV said, "Bring your wallet".

Move to Idaho.

182 STOL driver wrote: If you put up a wind sock you might attract airplanes and liability .

Liability is a state issue. In Montana and Idaho the land owner has no liability, even if you carved "Land Here" into the grass with your mower.

courierguy wrote:Move to Idaho.

Or somewhere in Nevada.

Move to Idaho, or Montana.

Idaho, Montana... wouldn't mind that at all!

Bonanza Man wrote:You don't ever need to apply to the FAA. The vast majority of strips here in Montana, hundreds of them, are not on any charts or registered with the FAA, or anybody else for that matter.

Guess again. Even in Montana (where I own a private airport), you are required to apply to the FAA. You're right in saying that the vast majority of strips here aren't on charts or registered...but that doesn't mean they're not supposed to be. The state Aeronautics doesn't enforce anything (nor do they care to even read the regs...) nor does the FAA.... until there's a problem. It's not a biggie... it took me about 15 minutes to fill out the form and get it ready to mail. Sadly, Aeronautics wasn't even aware of the regs when I talked to them, but when I educated them, they agreed that it was something that should be done....same as registering with them.
John