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Seventy2 Pre-Built Survival kit. What are your thoughts?

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Seventy2 Pre-Built Survival kit. What are your thoughts?

https://unchartedsupplyco.com/products/the-seventy2-pro?keyword=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI47LvjfGY8wIVGQaICR0HpwpcEAQYASABEgL0z_D_BwE
Just came across this survival kit online and it gets good reviews and has a ton of equipment. Seems like a solid solution for probably cheaper than you could piece everything together individually. Last time a built a kit I easily spent a couple hundred at REÍ. Only problem is that it still isn’t heavy enough to make a 182 have a normal CG.
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ington6 wrote:https://unchartedsupplyco.com/products/the-seventy2-pro?keyword=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI47LvjfGY8wIVGQaICR0HpwpcEAQYASABEgL0z_D_BwE
Just came across this survival kit online and it gets good reviews and has a ton of equipment. Seems like a solid solution for probably cheaper than you could piece everything together individually. Last time a built a kit I easily spent a couple hundred at REÍ. Only problem is that it still isn’t heavy enough to make a 182 have a normal CG.


Hard to say for sure, but Goggles, "Air Masks" and knit hats? Good grief!!! That medical kit would also be questionable, they don't tell you the specific contents of that.

You don't have to (and I don't) buy all the stuff for a survival kit from REI. REI has good stuff, but you don't need to go there to buy para cord, medical stuff, etc, etc. There are lots of cheaper places to find this stuff.

I don't have a flashlight in my kits these days, I use a head lamp, with a few different intensities. When you're actually trying to DO something in the dark, it's really nice to have both hands free. And, the head lamps I have also have a strobe feature for potential rescue situation.

A perfectly adequate day pack can be found for a lot less money from a lot of places, including second hand stores.

Etc. Take a look at what these folks provide, go through the list, figure out what you might need on the list, find that stuff at Wal Mart, or ?? Then delete the things (like goggles and "Air masks" whatever those are) and add things you think may be useful.

I do NOT carry much food. Unfortunately, most folks don't cycle stuff frequently, and food should be cycled occasionally. And, frankly, food is NOT high on my list of actual "Survival" necessities.

But, for quite a bit less than the price of one of these, with a little shopping around, you should be able to come up with a good kit. There are lots of on line sources that provide lists of "survival" items. Peruse those and fill out your list.

And, one of the best pieces of "survival gear" is a good paperback book or two.

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This is MUCH better

https://www.govx.com/p/109081/rothco-em ... trauma-kit

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Just toss in a water filter straw, lighter, coupe MREs, couple cheap lighters, and a few other things.


Think I also traded a few items for more known makers, a couple CAT tourniquets and quick stop sponge and added Benadryl, debated adding epinephrine and some syringes but decided not.

If you are going this route, I’d highly recommend at least getting your wilderness first responder

https://www.wildmed.com/course-type/wil ... responder/

That’s what I have in the work plane, better and costs less. Also in the pack you linked to adding cute bennie hats and Covid masks kinda made me giggle.

For my 185, I’m a little lighter on medical payload, but I have spare tubes, EPIRB, some basic tools, machete, and some more bushwhacked type stuff.
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Re: Seventy2 Pre-Built Survival kit. What are your thoughts?

Yeah I kind of ignored the goggles and masks unless you crash land into burning man. Otherwise I thought it was a pretty decent kit and consdiering it is pre built. We are not sure of the medical contents so you're right. That could be lacking.
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My limited experience with pre-made "survival kits" is that the contents are ultra-cheap and the whole thing is designed to make you feel you're getting lots of "stuff", when, in fact, most of it is superfluous.

Your kit should be mission-specific (as much as practical, at least). Example: I fly almost exclusively in mainland northern Canada, on floats or skis. Clean water is everywhere, liquid or frozen, so I don't have to haul around that heavy stuff at least.

Shelter and warmth are my main concerns. I need a proper tent and a good winter sleeping bag (exchanged for two summer bags during float season). I carry a few military MRE's in a food bag which are good for years. A proper saw and a hatchet for gathering firewood (where firewood is available and the hatchet can double as a hammer) and both a multi-fuel and a tiny butane stove for use where there's no wood. Signaling mirror, green laser pointer, PLB, several methods of starting fire, small fishing kit, InReach, a good pocket knife, and bug dope all reside in the pockets of my always-worn inflatable PFD (a fisherman's vest type). In the winter those items can all go in the pockets of a very good down parka.

Good clothing, that you actually WEAR goes without saying.

In my "bail-out bag" (a floating soft-sided cooler) I have, among other things, para cord, another good folding knife, handheld VHF radio, and seasonal items like: more insect repellant and a bug jacket during the summer and a headlamp for the winter, fire-starter, toilet paper (that and a bit of gas from the 'plane will get a blaze going PDQ), etc.

I have a proper first aid kit in the 'plane at all times, and a basic kit in the bail-out bag.

On my belt I have a good, sharp sheath knife, a sharpener and a Leatherman tool. In my jean's pocket another folding knife and a lighter.

Though I often carry a firearm in the airplane, I don't regard it as a survival item. Bear deterrent - maybe, but probably not essential.

I don't carry a map or compass - I'm not walking out on this terrain and those who choose to do so during winter weather are usually never found. No - I'm sticking with the airplane!
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NunavutPA-12 wrote:My limited experience with pre-made "survival kits" is that the contents are ultra-cheap and the whole thing is designed to make you feel you're getting lots of "stuff", when, in fact, most of it is superfluous


+1. They fill em with cheap crap.
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Re: Seventy2 Pre-Built Survival kit. What are your thoughts?

Most important piece of survival gear: What we carry between our ears from training and forethought.

Our bailout kits in the military and DOS were regional specific and there was preplanning about what was needed, in addition to training on how to use contents. There was no one kit that satisfied every mission. Example: No need for a winter bag in n. Africa. Likewise, we didn't carry water in El Salvador.

Assemble your own kit that is specific to your flight environment and mission. If someone doesn't know what should go in it or is simply trying to replicate what they see in a commercial assembly, then I suggest they get both basic medical and survival training first, then go about putting together their own kit. That's about 6-7 days worth of training - well worth it if one is to spend much time out in the boonies.
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I think the price is a bit alarming, and based on the type of marketing that company is likely to do - and the resulting margins, it's likely almost all of the gear is Alibaba/Aliexpress quality.

If you search Aliexpress for "Survival Kit" you'll find plenty of 20-40$ kits. I imagine if you were to buy a few of these and a waterproof sack, you'd have more gear than that kit has, at the same quality, for probably 30% of the price.
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